souveran sale?

[billyboyb]

Ive heard that too, but the reason why Ive been wanting to try souveran and other waxes is because I just bought a black car..Victoria wax is also on my list..

I think on black souveran would be stunning

 

[GearHead_1]

sovervan may be good for some colors but not on silver , it muted it, and i was thinking maybe the liquid sovervan is more suitable for silver metallic.....

This isn't a flame so please don't take it that way.

I've used a half dozen jars of Pinnacle over the last few years. When you consider that 1 jar is capable of providing shine to 40 or 50 vehicles that means I've used it quite a bit.

I've heard people make the same comment that you made but I've never experienced it. In fact just the opposite. It's truly stunning on a well prepped dark colored car but I've found it to be pretty amazing on light colored cars as well.

There was a good write up done by Mike Phillips (many of the members probably know him). He gave some pretty compelling evidence as well as some good reasoning detailing why a wax that is good on a dark colored car looks good on a light colored car also. Of course he was talking about clear coated vehicles and waxes that were not tinted. This is a pretty good read if you are interested it's posted on the Meg's site though I don't have a reference.

After everything is said and done what he had written was what I had witnessed in my own experiences.

I've often thought that many of the times that these types of results are present it's an application error or a problem with Souveran and a glaze or some other product.

I digress here......

 

[billyboyb]

Thanks G.H. ill check it out........


found this:


Hi Cipitio,

Here's the deal,

First of all, 99% of all cars being manufactured today have a clear coat, so keep in mind, most people are not working on a pigmented paint, but on clear paint. Clear paint is simply resin without color.

That said, if a car wax, or polish will make a dark or black colored paint look great, it's also making a light colored finish look great to it's just your eyes can't see the difference. This is why the best test for a product is always on dark colors and black paint specifically. The true results of a product are going to be the most apparent on black paint, whether its a single-stage finish or a clear coated finish.

The color that is the least efficient at demonstrating a difference is white paint, whether it's a single-stage, or a clear coated finish. This is why Meguiar's performs all of their testing on black paint.

What you see discussed on forums and elsewhere on the topic of some waxes being better on light colors and some waxes being better on dark colors is simply confusion.

You'll often read where someone will say, "Brand X is great on light colors", what is implied is that brand X doesn't make dark colors look good. If a wax or polish can't make a dark color look good, it isn't making a light color look good, your eyes just can't evaluate the difference.

The best waxes for appearance quality make all colors look good and you can know this by whether or not the wax makes dark colors look good.

Think about it for a second, if you have two identical cars, for example two Honda Accura's. One is white with a clear coat finish and the other is black with a clear coat finish, if a wax makes the black Accura look great, knowing you're working on the same kind of paint, (a clear coat), it's reasonable to assume that it's going to make the white Accura look great, it's just you're eyes won't perceive the difference as easily as they would with the black Accura.

Conversely, if a wax doesn't make the black Accura look good, it's reasonable to assume it's not going to make the white Accura look good for the same reasons outlined above.



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[roadmaster_tx]

So if a car does not come with clear coat..i.e single stage paint..will souveran or any other wax for that matter be worth the time on it?

 

[GearHead_1]

billyboyb, that's the post I was thinking about.

roadmaster_tx, yes any paint job will benefit from the protection of either wax or sealant. Some waxes are better than others. That said it stands to reason that a single stage paint job will benefit more from a good wax than a not so good wax.

 

[roadmaster_tx]

Thanks,
I use to use S100/p21s but IMO it attracted to much dust, I currently have zaino on my car but will be giving souveran/ victoria waxes a try.

 

[black bart]

Re: Souveran sale?

I saw what Mike Phillips posted on the Meguiars forum it makes sense to me.
I think that we can all look at the same thing and not see the same thing.
Not long ago a member posted pictures on the corvette forum of his yellow corvette that had several coats of zaino on it and he had put pinnacle Souveran on one side of the hood. He said he could not see any difference and several on the CF forum who use Zaino stated that they could not tell the difference but when I looked at the picture I knew instantly what side was the PS and I posted and he said I was correct. I could tell the difference
I'm not anal about my daily driver just want to make it look good currently I have Duragloss on my Black Ranger and it comes as near to PS as anything but is more durable. On my Black show car I will continue to use PS. So far this year I have won at every show that I have gone to. I plan on doing two shows this weekend sometimes I only do one. Since my show car sits in the garage all the time I only apply the PS twice a year at that rate the two jars that I have will last for 30 years. I guess I need to use it on something else or it will go bad on me. Anyone know what the self life is on PS.
I agree with the Fuzz nothing looks like PS especially on Black and it takes a good polish to look good on black because it will show everything

 

[Meghan]

is it me...or did the price of souveran just go up $10, making it $79.99....I guess this thread is having an opposite effect on prices lol:lmfao

Price did go up $10 after 15 years of no increase. Luckily Souveran does not increase like gas but eventually we do have to make some changes. Fortunately you now receive a $7.99 towel with purchase so no real bad jump there. Would not take much looking to figure out the kits are the way to go, see for yourself....
http://www.autogeek.net/pinnacleprod.html

 

[boardumb]

We did have a one day sale on Souveran a bit ago, but Max has promised to put an entire product line on sale every two weeks of summer. The Pinnacle line has not yet gone on the two week sale. Trust me, the moment souveran goes on sale I will post it here so you will all be informed. I know alot of people will want to stock up on Souveran. Take care.

Still waiting, want to try this stuff on my copper red :smile

 

[pogo123]

Price did go up $10 after 15 years of no increase. Luckily Souveran does not increase like gas but eventually we do have to make some changes. Fortunately you now receive a $7.99 towel with purchase so no real bad jump there.

Why not just increase it by $2.00 and sell it without the towel?

 

[Leyland]

Why not just increase it by $2.00 and sell it without the towel?

I imagine it is because they want to remain profitable.

Thier costs probably increased $5-$7 per can so $10 added to the retail price covers the increase plus adds a little profit, which is justified if they want to stay in business and keep on heepin' on. They probably felt bad about having to do the increase so they include a towel that probably doesn't cost them a whole lot of money and bingo, they just added value while covering an increase in costs.

Just adding $2.00 might not cut it.

I'm just painting a picture of what may or may not be happening here and I don't know for sure.

 

[Jen@autogeek]

I imagine it is because they want to remain profitable.

Thier costs probably increased $5-$7 per can so $10 added to the retail price covers the increase plus adds a little profit, which is justified if they want to stay in business and keep on heepin' on. They probably felt bad about having to do the increase so they include a towel that probably doesn't cost them a whole lot of money and bingo, they just added value while covering an increase in costs.

Just adding $2.00 might not cut it.

I'm just painting a picture of what may or may not be happening here and I don't know for sure.

thank you for your comments. I think you are dead on! :ladies

 

[pogo123]

I imagine it is because they want to remain profitable.

Thier costs probably increased $5-$7 per can so $10 added to the retail price covers the increase plus adds a little profit, which is justified if they want to stay in business and keep on heepin' on. They probably felt bad about having to do the increase so they include a towel that probably doesn't cost them a whole lot of money and bingo, they just added value while covering an increase in costs.

Just adding $2.00 might not cut it.

I'm just painting a picture of what may or may not be happening here and I don't know for sure.

If it were just about profit then why throw in the freebie? A 15% price increase is a pretty big jump. The comment "Fortunately you now receive a $7.99 towel with purchase so no real bad jump there" is nothing more then an attempt to make it sound like 15% really isn't a big increase. Your argument assumes that the seller wasn't making a profit to start with when they were selling the product for $69.99. I suspect that the manufacturer is setting the price that the resellers must use, and the resellers are using incentives to sell the product. No one expects a business to not make a profit.

 

[Leyland]

If it were just about profit then why throw in the freebie? A 15% price increase is a pretty big jump. The comment "Fortunately you now receive a $7.99 towel with purchase so no real bad jump there" is nothing more then an attempt to make it sound like 15% really isn't a big increase. Your argument assumes that the seller wasn't making a profit to start with when they were selling the product for $69.99. I suspect that the manufacturer is setting the price that the resellers must use, and the resellers are using incentives to sell the product.

At no point was I talking about the $69.99 price and whether they were making a profit at that price or not. I'm sure they were making a profit but what I was "assuming" or speculating was that there may have been an increase in costs that led to them having to pass it on to the consumer. Maybe there was, maybe there wasn't. We don't know because we don't run their business.

I think it is a safe assumption that they are being upfront. Would you prefer that the price be $79.99 with no towel included??? At least they are offering an incentive when you spend that much.

Oh well, I'm sure they are selling plenty of this wax everyday to people that are happy to use it.

 

[GearHead_1]

No one expects a business to not make a profit.

You said it all right here. I don't think a retailer is under any obligation to tell you why they raised the price. If you like the product enough to buy it at the new price, you buy it. If you don't, then you don't it's that simple. Lots of retailers use some type of incentive to soften the blow that's just one of the ways retail marketing works.

 

[Jen@autogeek]

Even at the new price it is still less than $3.00 per application. Even if you apply a coat of wax once a week, that is still less than you would spend on lunch or a coffee at Starbucks. Just my 2 cents. (sorry I could resist the pun lol)

 

[Meghan]

Even at the new price it is still less than $3.00 per application. Even if you apply a coat of wax once a week, that is still less than you would spend on lunch or a coffee at Starbucks. Just my 2 cents. (sorry I could resist the pun lol)

Jen is right, this wax is IMO is the absolute best on Black and Red. And if it cost less than $3 for each application at worst, then so be it. That is three dollars well spent in my opinion. The price has been the same since the first of the 90's.... do you remember when.... (just for fun)
Its was the time when we all worried about Y2K bug (for what!)
A stamp was $0.25
The Simpsons debuts on Fox and becomes an instant hit.
Seinfeld debuts on NBC :lol:
Entertainment Weekly hits newsstands.
Hubble Space Telescope was launched!
Jim Henson died
Gulf War Begins
Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers vs. Denver Broncos - sorry Bronco fans.:rockon
Cheers was the most popular TV show.:yay
And Ghost was the most popular movie.
and most interesting piece of 1990 info....
on December 4, 2000 gas was at $1.486 per gallon
Obviously a few things have gone up.... luckily Souveran is not on the same increase level as gas. :dnaughty
Although I think we save gas by using Souveran, since it makes the cars so slick!!:bow

 

[joe.p]

Jen is right, this wax is IMO is the absolute best on Black and Red. And if it cost less than $3 for each application at worst, then so be it.so slick!!

"WOW" look who came out of her bag

 

[Meghan]

"WOW" look who came out of her bag

Joe arent you funny!:yay

 

[Boozman]

Here's what it looks like on mine