souveran on top of zaino...

B

Bluedog

New member
im sure someone has tried this before... are the outcomes noticeably different? does it actually do more harm than good like the soveran wont bond to zaino or anyting?



i want to do this because im detailing a friends car tomorrow. i only have a day and a half so what im planning to do is prep and zaino with zfx, 3 coats one day. then the little time i have the next day ill jsut top it with soveran before i return it. my friend isnt a detail freak like us so using a carnuba topper is ok here. he doesnt even know what zaino is =)



but yea, just wanted to make sure there were no negative side effects before i go for it.
 
over time the oils in the souveran will decompose the zaino, thus reducing durability by a great deal. The advice sal gives is not to top with anything other than zaino. My advice is if you are going with a 3 coat/ZFX deal go with 2 of Z5, one of Z2...... Z6ing inbetween.



you may even find that it would be benificial to go back early the next morning and wash with Z7 (seems to enhance gloss/etc.)
 
... the Zaino finish. If the carnuba alters the appearance ( good or bad ) the friend will probably blame the Zaino. 3 coats of Z will give a good representation of Zaino and if your friend wants to experiment with a topper that is his call. If he likes the Zaino he can continue to QD, Z7 and Z2/5 to his hearts content.

I have tried the carnuba topping experiment ( #26 and P21S ) and the results are not as good as Zaino alone over the long haul.
 
Its not so much that Soveran's oils will de-compose the Zaino layer, its just that when you top a sealant with a wax, you can'tt layer the sealant anymore....which is fine in most cases. Id try it out, on the hood first and see how you like it.
 
All I know is that Paste Glaz looked awesome over Klasse and Souveran looks awesome on Blackfire. I can't imagine that the apperance of Souveran on Zaino would be any different. I agree with Brad4rdHay about not being able to layer any more sealant on top of it. Once you start with the carnuba you had better be happy with the number of layers below it. 5 layers of any product is good enough IMO. I can't really say that the difference between 5 layers of Klasse and 10 layers was really all that strong.
 
I also don't buy into that decompose talk. Brad is right. A carnauba over Zaino will simply interfere with your ability to layering on more Z coats. In time, several coats of carnauba over Zaino will slightly tint or change the color of your car oh so little. Laters
 
Maybe I'm wrong but why can't you periodically
delete your carnauba layer with Dawn or P21s
Total Auto Wash or some other degreaser when
you want to upgrade your Zaino layers.

Then start carnoobaring again.

I have B on Z and it's doing very nice.

Also Z7 on carnooba works well.
 
Cant useor z6 with a carnauba topper. You dont want to use dawn/ or any non pH balanced cleaner on your paint too often.
 
First of all, the oils in a carnuba can permeate a polymer decreasing durability......that is a fact.



Anyhow, I used souveran over zaino. The car looked great. Did it look better? It is a matter of preference........it looked different. In fact the car's shine characteristics changed and in certain lights it looked to be a different shade of color. I liked the look that both systems gave.



One thing I noticed was that after one Z7 wash, the look of the car was back to normal so I can only guess that one Z7 wash stripped souveran. Also, do not use Z6 quick detailer over souveran...it makes a mess and can not bond.



I decided that adding a layer of zaino was the best topper to add to zaino. This is soley based on my experience, and my opinion.......
 
I figured over Dawning may hurt the clearcoat,

that's why I threw P21s Total Auto Wash in.



I've used the P21s before and it works great,

just expensive cause one bottle is about

$15. and you have to use half the bottle at

least to strip your wax.



Are there any other clear coat easy degreasers

out there that may be cheaper than the P21s?
 
Once the Souveran layer is about 3-4 weeks old, I'm sure that one more wash with something strong like Pinnacle BS or EF Power would pretty much remove most of what's left of the Souveran.



I personally do not like having a carnauba topper on my Z coats. After about a month passes and I'm reasonably sure that most of the carnauba is gone, my underlying Z coats do not have the same ultra-slickness it normally does when no topper was applied. This tells me that perhaps the high-solvents in Souveran might very well have an adverse effect on Zaino, or Klasse for that matter.
 
After trying Blitz over Zaino, I don't think I'll top Zaino with anything in the future. Initially, the finish was slicker than Zaino alone, but over time it seemed to lose more slickness than Zaino gives by itself. I agree that the solvents in other waxes can degrade your Zaino coats over time, so I won't be topping Zaino with anything but Zaino in the future.



Besides, the difference in shine and depth is so slight with a topper on Zaino, that the downsides just aren't worth it in the long run.



BTW, DAWN won't hurt your clearcoat used once or twice a year. I used it over my many Zaino layers to remove Blitz and the water still beaded afterwards. Zaino is very durable!





:xyxthumbs
 
Mike,



I see from your initial post that you stopped your experiment

after 2 or 3 weeks. Before that you were very excited about the

presentation. It would of been great if you went

3 or 4 months so we could have developed a testing pattern.



If a number of us found that topping Zee stank then we could

put this thing to bed and move on and warn others in the future.

But if it works it may enhance our hobby. I guess we'll know a little more by Labor Day.



I'm going to go the 3-4 months with Blitz. Maybe some others

can try Pinnacle, Meguiar's, P21s, Etc so we can get some results.



My 2
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top