So today I tried Zymol liquid wax..

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kittay

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.. and was pretty un-impressed by it.



It went on well, and smells great. But when I went to buff it out, it was like spreading oil around. It left some spots oily/ shiny, yet others were as they were before the wax.



I did half my hood, and was so disappointed that I finished the car with NXT paste wax.



I figured I'd try it since it was tempting me while I was picking up car parts.



Anyone else experienced this?
 
Going back to the NXT paste was the best thing that you could have did. Just be aware of the durability of NXT. It does not last too long. Just remember to re-apply in about two to four weeks. The look is great though.
 
The Zymol liquid wax you see in the stores here has nothing to do with the high-end Zymol pastes talked about on Autopia, the name has been licensed for use by Turtle Wax.
 
howareb said:
You don't think that.... that he thought that he was using Vintage do you?
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Zymol makes a lot of less expensive waxes than Vintage...they just don't sell "real" Zymol at K-Mart and Big Lots...but that's the beauty of marketing, eh?
 
I had wanted to try their carbon wax. Is that any good?

Or to get good results with them, you have to pay alot (Vintage)?



Oh I love the NXT, but agreed, it does not last very long!

91 Eclipse GSX:

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Not bad for 16 year old paint :)



It is so hard to get a glossy look on silver :(
 
Just to clarify, you used the turquoise colored bottle of Zymol cleaner wax? Unless I am mistaken, you will not find that on zymol.com.
 
zymol offers a ride range of waxes, theyhave there cleanerwax which i have not tried and hae no plan on it.

they have there hand crafted line, (creme, carbon, saab, japon, ect) which are ok, there nothing spectacular, up there with say sov.



they have some crosover waxes that are like the esate line but not in that prie range, These include titanium and glasar. i have tired titanium and love it, i went through a jar rather quickly.



Then there is the esate line, these waxes are spectacular, i started with concours and fell in love. This was an awsome wax it was only used on special cars becasue of the cost, i have since upgraded to vintage. It was worth every penny. mm vintage..



any-who, dont base your opion on zymol based on the use of the cleaner wax. They have alot more to offer, and in my opion are well worth looking into
 
Ok now your a owner, have to know how to pronounce it. VIN-AUGE. ha ha



calgarydetail said:
zymol offers a ride range of waxes, theyhave there cleanerwax which i have not tried and hae no plan on it.

they have there hand crafted line, (creme, carbon, saab, japon, ect) which are ok, there nothing spectacular, up there with say sov.



they have some crosover waxes that are like the esate line but not in that prie range, These include titanium and glasar. i have tired titanium and love it, i went through a jar rather quickly.



Then there is the esate line, these waxes are spectacular, i started with concours and fell in love. This was an awsome wax it was only used on special cars becasue of the cost, i have since upgraded to vintage. It was worth every penny. mm vintage..



any-who, dont base your opion on zymol based on the use of the cleaner wax. They have alot more to offer, and in my opion are well worth looking into
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Setec Astronomy said:
The Zymol liquid wax you see in the stores here has nothing to do with the high-end Zymol pastes talked about on Autopia, the name has been licensed for use by Turtle Wax.
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That statement is a bit misleading. Zymol Cleaner Wax is not Turtle Wax with the Zymol name on it. While it is certainly NOT aimed at the same market as their "high end" stuff, it is still a Zymol formula. It is licensed to Turtle Wax to take advantage of their distribution network. Look at how widely available Zymol Cleaner Wax is, Zymol could not have done that by themselves. It gives them some product awareness that they otherwise would not have had.
 
kittay said:
.. and was pretty un-impressed by it.



It went on well, and smells great. But when I went to buff it out, it was like spreading oil around. It left some spots oily/ shiny, yet others were as they were before the wax.



I did half my hood, and was so disappointed that I finished the car with NXT paste wax.



I figured I'd try it since it was tempting me while I was picking up car parts.



Anyone else experienced this?
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This is definitely NOT normal behavior for Zymol Cleaner Wax. If anything it hazes to a rock hard shell, oily spots to me indicate that maybe it had separated and was not shaken up enough before use?



Zymol Cleaner Wax tends to get a bad rap here, part of that is there is a general bias towards over the counter products and Turtle Wax in particular which is who Zymol uses to manufacture their cleaner wax.



I have used the product off and on for probably 10 years. I have gotten nothing but great results from it, the downsides are that it is hard to remove if you apply too much as it does haze to a hard finish and it will dust quite a bit while buffing it off. There are lots of products that are easier to use but Zymol Cleaner Wax is certainly capable of providing a deep glossy and durable finish that anyone would be proud of.



Here is a picture of my Mustang after being freshly detailed with Zymol Cleaner Wax.



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Hey rjstaaf, thanks for clearing that up. In my pre-Autopian days Meg's #6 and their OTC cleaner wax were my go-to products, so I'm not anti-cleaner wax. But isn't this a bit like NASCAR marketing? Ford takes a custom-built racecar, throws a body on it that looks a bit like a Fusion, calls it a Fusion, and hopes that people go to the Ford dealer wanting to buy one. Isn't that a lot like Zymol hoping their Estate Glaze reputation will filter down to make people want to buy their average (by comparison) cleaner wax that they come across at the local auto supply chain, and isn't that what really happened here?
 
rjstaaf said:
This is definitely NOT normal behavior for Zymol Cleaner Wax. If anything it hazes to a rock hard shell, oily spots to me indicate that maybe it had separated and was not shaken up enough before use?



Zymol Cleaner Wax tends to get a bad rap here, part of that is there is a general bias towards over the counter products and Turtle Wax in particular which is who Zymol uses to manufacture their cleaner wax.



I have used the product off and on for probably 10 years. I have gotten nothing but great results from it, the downsides are that it is hard to remove if you apply too much as it does haze to a hard finish and it will dust quite a bit while buffing it off. There are lots of products that are easier to use but Zymol Cleaner Wax is certainly capable of providing a deep glossy and durable finish that anyone would be proud of.



Here is a picture of my Mustang after being freshly detailed with Zymol Cleaner Wax.
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Thats it party for your right to fight You are a spunky one. :laugh:



Nice shine on the stang', NuFinish will also have given you a similar result though.



OTCs do not always get a bad rap here on Autopia. I think that autopians tell it like it is, whereas most common folk just accept a product's smell, dustiness, and staining of trim. They do not know that there is anything better out there. So when you take a high class name like Zymol that has $1k waxes and attach it to a cleaner wax that is far beneath their regular line of waxes, that makes people here cringe.



I use to use Zymol cleaner wax as well when it was first introduced (thinking that it was the best). At the time it was the best "OTC" that I could find, I did not know that there were better products, because I was in spontaneous shopper mode and needed the product now. Autopians however have a curious spirit about them and realize that the product market is bigger than just OTC. It is in this area (Zaino, Adams, Sonus, Ultima, Klasse, Optimum, Clearkote, ect.) that you find the good stuff. Also many of these "boutique names" go by word of mouth advertising and professional use and I am sure would love the mass markets attention. However their attention is to detail and in being the best product out their. With Zymol the focus on the cleaner/wax product was not in making the best product, but cutting corners to make a product that is beneath their own quality. In my opinion they sort of cheapened their name a little, especially as in this thread. So Zymol Cleaner/Wax is not being bashed because of its affiliation with Turtle Wax. It is getting bashed because it is not one of the best products in the current overall market.



Aslo, I am starting to question Zymol marketing; they now have a $14.95 wax at Autozone and a $30,000 wax called "a Solaris". It like having McDonalds sell a fillet mignon with a $5,000 desert. It is too wide a variation in the market. Zymol should have spun off it's lower end business with a different name IMO. Also some of Zymol lower end products could have easily sold as OTCs. They went against their own principles to try to get market attention with this product. Basically don't compromiise your principles that have made you successful, just to get a little market appeal.



In comparison NXT has been a very successful OTC and it is, by comparison to others, an expensive OTC. However it works, with a look unlike the other OTCs (now if it could only last longer.



(Ok I am done with the essay).
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Hey rjstaaf, thanks for clearing that up. In my pre-Autopian days Meg's #6 and their OTC cleaner wax were my go-to products, so I'm not anti-cleaner wax. But isn't this a bit like NASCAR marketing? Ford takes a custom-built racecar, throws a body on it that looks a bit like a Fusion, calls it a Fusion, and hopes that people go to the Ford dealer wanting to buy one. Isn't that a lot like Zymol hoping their Estate Glaze reputation will filter down to make people want to buy their average (by comparison) cleaner wax that they come across at the local auto supply chain, and isn't that what really happened here?
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I think their hopes are going the other way. I seriously doubt the average person that buys Zymol Cleaner Wax has ever heard of their "high end" products. By putting the cleaner wax into stores like Auto Zone, Advance Auto and WalMart to name a few they get brand recognition down to the average consumer who wouldn't have otherwise ever heard of the Zymol name.
 
howareb said:
Thats it party for you right to fight You are a spunky one. :laugh:



Nice shine on the stang', NuFinish will also have given you a similar result though.



OTCs do not always get a bad rap here on Autopia. I think that autopians tell it like it is, whereas most common folk just accept a product's smell, dustiness, and staining of trim. They do not know that there is anything better out there. So when you take a high class name like Zymol that has $1k waxes and attach it to a cleaner wax that is far beneath their regular line of waxes, that makes people here cringe.



I use to use Zymol cleaner wax as well when it was first introduced (thinking that it was the best). At the time it was the best "OTC" that I could find, I did not know that there were better products, because I was in spontaneous shopper mode and needed the product now. Autopians however have a curious spirit about them and realize that the product market is bigger than just OTC. It is in this area (Zaino, Adams, Sonus, Ultima, Klasse, Optimum, Clearkote, ect.) that you find the good stuff. Also many of these "boutique names" go by word of mouth advertising and professional use and I am sure would love the mass markets attention. However their attention is to detail and in being the best product out their. With Zymol the focus on the cleaner/wax product was not in making the best product, but cutting corners to make a product that is beneath their own quality. In my opinion they sort of cheapened their name a little, especially as in this thread. So Zymol Cleaner/Wax is not being bashed because of its affiliation with Turtle Wax. It is getting bashed because it is not one of the best products in the current overall market.



Aslo, I am starting to question Zymol marketing; they now have a $14.95 wax at Autozone and a $30,000 wax called "a Solaris". It like having McDonalds sell a fillet mignon with a $5,000 desert. It is too wide a variation in the market. Zymol should have spun off it's lower end business with a different name IMO. Also some of Zymol lower end products could have easily sold as OTCs. They went against their own principles to try to get market attention with this product. Basically don't comprise your principles that have made you successful, just to get a little market appeal.



In comparison NXT has been a very successful OTC and it is, by comparison to others, an expensive OTC. However it works, with a look unlike the other OTCs (now if it could only last longer.



(Ok I am done with the essay).
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Hmm spunky, I do believe in my younger days I would probably have given somone a bloody nose for calling me that. I am 44 and have been an active member here for more than 5 years.



I think you are thinking though with enthusiasts blinders on which is a common problem. Keep in mind that we are a tiny, tiny slice of the overall market. I am willing to bet that 99% of people who buy Zymol Cleaner Wax are not aware of Zymol's "high end" products and NEVER will be.



Don't get me wrong here, I am NOT a Zymol fanboy. It is just one of the many products that I use. I would probably say that I am still primarily a Meguiars user although I do not limit myself to one brand...
 
rjstaaf said:
I think their hopes are going the other way. I seriously doubt the average person that buys Zymol Cleaner Wax has ever heard of their "high end" products. By putting the cleaner wax into stores like Auto Zone, Advance Auto and WalMart to name a few they get brand recognition down to the average consumer who wouldn't have otherwise ever heard of the Zymol name.
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Hmm...I don't know. My experience is colored by a friend who is the quintessential "knows just enough to be dangerous" guy, and HE has heard of the Zymol high end waxes (not from me) but thinks that the one in Walmart is the one he has heard about (I mean it's expensive, it's $15! not like the overstock TW Platinum he got at Big Lots..lol). This guy washes his car every 7 years (whether it needs it or not), and would be a candidate for the Purple Power wash discussed in another thread.



Does that really make sense from a marketing standpoint? How many people buying wax at Wal-Mart would ever buy wax in the manner they have to to get a higher end Zymol? But there are perhaps more people who went to a car show and saw a cool car waxed with Zymol and recognize the name when they're in W-M. IMO opinion you don't use low-end product to get name recognition to sell high-end product, you sell high-end product to get name recognition for your low end product...in the same way Ford races to get people to buy street cars...not to move them up to buying race cars or GT's. Just my $.02 :nixweiss
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Hmm...I don't know. My experience is colored by a friend who is the quintessential "knows just enough to be dangerous" guy, and HE has heard of the Zymol high end waxes (not from me) but thinks that the one in Walmart is the one he has heard about (I mean it's expensive, it's $15! not like the overstock TW Platinum he got at Big Lots..lol). This guy washes his car every 7 years (whether it needs it or not), and would be a candidate for the Purple Power wash discussed in another thread.



Does that really make sense from a marketing standpoint? How many people buying wax at Wal-Mart would ever buy wax in the manner they have to to get a higher end Zymol? But there are perhaps more people who went to a car show and saw a cool car waxed with Zymol and recognize the name when they're in W-M. IMO opinion you don't use low-end product to get name recognition to sell high-end product, you sell high-end product to get name recognition for your low end product...in the same way Ford races to get people to buy street cars...not to move them up to buying race cars or GT's. Just my $.02 :nixweiss
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I think you are probably over-analyzing it. Just think about the two markets and the numbers.



1. How many people do you think get exposed to Zymol Estate Waxes at car shows, via enthusiasts friends, web searches, etc...



2. How many people do you think go into an auto parts store or discount store and see Zymol on the shelf...



Which option do you think gets the Zymol name out to the general public in larger numbers? I am fairly certain that by an enormous margin, more people see the Zymol name at the auto parts store or discount store than any other way. Your friend is probably just the exception rather than the rule.



Rather than the Nascar analogy why don't we take one more applicable here. A lot of people start out with Meguiars OTC products and from there move on to try their detailer and professional lines. This is something we see every day here on Autopia.



If I had never tried Zymol Cleaner Wax I know I certainly wouldn't have bought any of their high end products cold without having tried any of their products before. My first exposure to Zymol was Zymol Cleaner Wax. From there I went on to try Zymol Creme and HD Cleanse and still have those products in my arsenal.



If you look at Zymol's website it is rather difficult to find Zymol Cleaner Wax. It is listed in what they call the "Introductory Products" section. To me that indicates that it is an entry level product.



ZYMOL CLEANER WAX - Zymol Worldwide



Marketing is not an exact science, you are trying to predict what people will do. I am sure we could round and round on this issue.
 
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