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I pretty much spent the whole morning and afternoon yesterday detailing a friend's car (A white '94 Mitsubishi Diamante). I started out with a claying, followed by a few applications of PPCL and then two applications of ZFX.



My question is, does clay completely remove the rust spots that come from environmental contaminants and brake dust? This was the first time I've ever clayed on a white car and so I could clearly the rust spots. The clay seemed to remove most of it as well as smoothen out the paint, but I'd say that 50% of the tiny little rust spots were still visible. Is this normal? How am I supposed to completely rid the car of them?



It was kind of embarrassing to my friend because I had given him the impression that claying would completely remove the rust. The PPCL it did do an incredible job with the paint's smoothness and the ZFX coats really lit up the car's shine, but you guys all know what those rust spots look like, right? They're only visible if you look really close, but next time I'd like to be able to rid his car of those nasty specks.



Thanks.
 
Claying sometimes only removes the tops of the containments. For you to totally correct the problem you could use something like the ABC system and while using the B product you can clay the tuff spots. The B products melts the deep down particles causing the rust spots, where as claying may only remove the tops of the particles.



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Clay is kind of like a lint roller. It will pull out dimensional debris sticking out of and on top of the paint surface. It has no effect on any staining or leeching of chimicals that are "in" the paint not lying on it. For that you may need additional cleaners or abrasives.
 
Clay does a great but not perfect job. Two suggestions, you may need to clay a second time. Secondly, sounds as if the car has not been detailed in a while so you may need to use a cutter like Finesse It II - the paint cleaner you used is only mildly abrasive.
 
I am currently experiencing the same problem. I'm detailing a silver Mercedes-Benz CLK320 and it's taken me a couple of hours just to clay the front 1/3 of it (okay, I'm really slow anyways)!



The best thing I have found is to go back and forth over the area until it is gone, I personally fold the clay so the surface area touching the paint is limited to the width of the contaminants and make extremely short back-and-forth strokes. I would be hesitant to do this on a black car or a car which I was not doing any surface prep on...



I will be testing ABC soon to see how it compares on a silver truck.
 
Yea, with white, many things are a lot more noticable then lets say, a light metallic color... especially on the lower panels. In fact the easiest white cars usually are covered with grey plastic on the lower bumpers or have two-tone paint. Anway after seeing all of the surface contaminates close up... I sorta lost my confidence about layering more and more layers of Klasse. I thought I was the only one on this forum that noticed this... :)



But then I went ahead and tried the ABC system. It really works great.. try some!



~bw
 
OK, thanks for the responses everyone. I guess it would make sense that particles embedded for the long-term would leech rust and stain the immediate surrounding area, which is something that clay will not remove.



BW, when you say you lost confidence in layering multiple coats of Klasse, is it because you still get embedded particles despite the extra protection? Would you recommend regular use (1 or 2 times a year) of the ABC car wash to get out rust stains that claying will not?



Thanks
 
What I have worried about was sealing "in" the contaminates or anything I haven't removed before applying a new layer of SG. Now I just like to keep my car in the garage for a few days and apply 4-5 layers or so of SG, and just use OGSO in-between washes. Then I will start all over again… maybe about 6 months later with the ABC system.



With my Steel Blue car, I keep layering on the Z-2 though. The specks are a lot less noticeable on medium metallic colors… and since I “Z-1â€� about every 4 or so layers, the cleaners in Z-1 usually take the majority of specks off.



~bw
 
Yes, ABC works wonderfully, I live the stuff, well worth the price. The B part of the system is what acts like clay, loosening and removing contaminants from the paint, the B's advantage is that its loosening and lifting them out of the paint so they can float away with the suds, as aposed to clay which grinds and pulls at the contaminants and holds then in the clay....a greater poitential for maring. Clay is great though for removing some stuborn contaminants that ABC might leave behind. Like BradB said, clay also wont take care of chemicals that are in the pores of the paint, which ABC definately does. Yes using ABC regiularly is recomended by RonK, I would use it every 6 moths (twice a year) when the polymer protection is wearing off and you want to start over. ABC will clean out the acids and chemicals that have "soaked" into the paint, preventing further damage, and preping the surface nicely.
 
The only risk is if you do it on a hot day in direct sunlight and let it sit on the surface for more than 7 min....you might get streaks which could just wash off or need a light cleaner like AIO. I was really woried about this and did acidentaly let it dry a little on the surface, but there were no streaks at all. But no its really safe to use.
 
Trouble and I were coming home from delievering a customers car today when all of the sudden Trouble starts going ape at a red light we were sitting at. I look over and notice a jack russell terrier strolling down the road at one of the busiest intersections in town, and the owner was no where in site :huh:

I pull over and try to coax the dog to me, but instead he darts out into the middle of the street X_X I saw what was getting ready to happen so I dart into the street also :out: 6 lanes of traffic slams on there brakes to avoid us and narrowlly misses us both :-t

The dog makes it to the other side, so I hop in the car and head his way :driving: When I get to the other side of the street the dog starts to head down a side street which is good. Less chance of either of us getting killed. I ended up letting Trouble out of the car and she immediatally takes off after her new buddy :partaaay2:

We end up getting him in the car with us and head towards the house :Car smiley: I find a identification tag on him, but there was no name of the owner, just an 800 number with a ID number. I make the call and the lady on the other end tells me I have found Scooter and his owners would be getting in contact with me A.S.A.P. :-c

So the owner calls me about 30 minutes ago and is thrilled to here I have his dog. I tell him Scooter is fine. He tells me his name and all and ask for my address. He says that him and his wife were at a function downtown and was wondering if there was anyway if they could wait and come by around 8:30. I tell him that will be fine Da Rules!

So, I'm sitting here looking at the name he gave me thinking that this name sure looked familiar to me :-? I decide to google the name and see what turns up. Turns out this man is Chairman of the Board to a very well known organization here :money: :money: :money:

So my question is this. I won't accept money for retrieving his dog today. However,would you feel it to be a shameless plug if I were to give him a business card and a brief run down as to what I do. Or should I just let it slide and be happy I'm not stuck with a new dog :redface:

As always, any and all response will be appreciated in this manner :toetap05:

Regards,

Flash :-B
 
Excellent work Flash! Wife and I have saved our fair shair of animals and you and I both know how we'd feel if we lost our baby's! Great job risking your neck to save the pup!! Business card is fine. The least he can do is take that graciously! I'm just glad you saved that dog! :angel:

One time we went outside after a storm and thought we saw a black bear in our pool. I was thinking, How am I going to get that out without getting mauled! It was in the 8FT deep end and holding onto the edge. Upon closer inspection it was a black poodle. Whew!


grungy said:
Flash - be the shameless person you are and give him the card :Innocent:
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LOL!
 
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