So 3m has a scratch resistant finishing polish now..

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Al Buff

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Just saw it at the paint shop.. really wanted to pick it up because 3m never letted me down, but it was pricey as hell and i still have 3 bottles of blackfire polish. anyone tried this yet? comes in a milky bottle with black lettering.
 
Al Buff said:
Just saw it at the paint shop.. really wanted to pick it up because 3m never letted me down, but it was pricey as hell and i still have 3 bottles of blackfire polish. anyone tried this yet? comes in a milky bottle with black lettering.
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What is it called?
 
I do have the SRC polish and that is what it is called. It does do medium correction and you can also finish off nice with it too. The fumes are awful and can be a pain in a small closed garage. Works excellent on painted bumpers.



It has been out for a year or more now.
 
One thing i hate about 3m is if you ever sling stuff, the residue sticks like crazy so you gotta be careful.. other than that, they are solid! well, i guess they have to be considering most if not all bodyshops uses 3m.
 
Everyone is now getting on the ceramic "nano" coating polishes now as this is the way several car mfg's are going.



1Z also has ceramic "nano" silicone free polishes which are really nice.



I'd stick with the German polishes as they were the first, and also the first mfgs to put ceramic coatings on production cars. If you count the Maybach as "production".



Deanski
 
Deanski said:
...I'd stick with the German polishes as they were the first, and also the first mfgs to put ceramic coatings on production cars. If you count the Maybach as "production"....
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Of course, those first coatings were made by an American company (PPG, specifically).



And when that American company is developing a new coating they send sample panels to American finish chemical companies for evaluation and development of buffing processes. (Other coating companies, as well as both domestic and foreign car makers do the same.)





PC.
 
Correct, but Menzerna having a superior abrasive mfg capabilities were first to get a polish for any "Ceramiclear" type finishes. PPG developed it in 2002. In 2006, they developed a powder clearcoat. They are also marketing a new self healing clearcoat activated by heat.



In any event, it's best to match the polish to the finish.



Menzerna Ceramiclear polishes were made for production line correction with very detailed training on type of pads, machine, time etc. before it was released to Maybach. It was by chance that others found it's unique properties in polishing softer clearcoats.



3M latest finishing polish called Ultrafina is ment to be finished wet and can sling a bit. But used correctly, does work very well.



I have yet to use the 3M brand SRC polishes, but I'm sure they will work well for that type of finish. Unaware how they will react on standard clearcoat.



I was trained on and with 3M a very long time ago by one of the finest and most talented body shop paint/finish engineers. An Italian master who worked on every type of paint, finishes from middle range cars to ultra high-end cars. It was him who after training and guidance long ago opened one bay and told me to work out a finish on this beautiful Italian car of the prancing horse brand. I was nervous beyond all hell. But in the end, it came out great and that's when you could say he graduated me.



If one is to use any of the 3M products, it's best to follow what they spec for pads and speed. You can deviate from it a bit due to finish.



I've yet to try the 1Z SRC polishes as well.



Whichever polish one chooses, match it to the finish/pad and what you're trying to correct or final finish on. Don't just jump on some "New and improved" polish unless the ones you use now are not doing what you want. Too many grab some new polish with no idea on how it reacts, then have an issue with it and think it's not a good polish. There is a learning curve to any polish and pad. Always have an open mind.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Deanski said:
Too many grab some new polish with no idea on how it reacts, then have an issue with it and think it's not a good polish. There is a learning curve to any polish and pad. Always have an open mind.



Regards,

Deanski
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Most of us on here are enthusiasts whether pro or not. Of course we are going to "waste" money on the latest and greatest detailing products. Part of the fun.



How many LPs/CDs did you waste $$$$ on in your life?
 
I am very surprised that 3M could not do a better job with their 3000 series Swirl Remover polish. It does work for a long time, but the spatter is awful, and it will not remove much of anything. I do not know of anyone yet to like this polish.
 
I just did my wife's Christmas shopping (for her and me) "she" got me 3M Extra cut and UltrafinaSE - plus 3M pads. I tried the 3M Swirl Remover last week and really wasn't too impressed, it flashed very fast and I didn't notice much improvement after buffing. So, I decided to get Menzerna IP instead. Now, I'm ready for the next detail.
 
rydawg said:
I am very surprised that 3M could not do a better job with their 3000 series Swirl Remover polish. It does work for a long time, but the spatter is awful, and it will not remove much of anything. I do not know of anyone yet to like this polish.
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really? thats strange.. my bottle has a very short working time and dust like crazy, but when you dilute it with something, it works good.
 
tdekany said:
Most of us on here are enthusiasts whether pro or not. Of course we are going to "waste" money on the latest and greatest detailing products. Part of the fun.



How many LPs/CDs did you waste $$$$ on in your life?
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You have a point. I did the same thing. That's until the individual who guided me looked at all the products, then, asked what I had in my wallet. I watched as he proceeded to burn the bills in an ashtray. He then asked to give him the money the next time I had that urge.



Needless to say it was a painful experience. It also insulted the very person who guided me. To think that after all that effort, I learned nothing. Remember, he's old school and is a true craftsman.



Now, I have limited products, although I do keep an open mind, but I let others do the trial and error, or find samples to use.



Hey, how'd ya think I got the Porsche? ;)



Deanski
 
Deanski said:
You have a point. I did the same thing. That's until the individual who guided me looked at all the products, then, asked what I had in my wallet. I watched as he proceeded to burn the bills in an ashtray. He then asked to give him the money the next time I had that urge.



Needless to say it was a painful experience. It also insulted the very person who guided me. To think that after all that effort, I learned nothing. Remember, he's old school and is a true craftsman.



Now, I have limited products, although I do keep an open mind, but I let others do the trial and error, or find samples to use.



Hey, how'd ya think I got the Porsche? ;)



Deanski
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That is a very good point. I myself blow money constantly on stupid stuff and if I only put the money in the bank, at the end of the year I would have minimum $5000. Times that by ten years and it would be a minimum $50,000 of stuff that is worth ZERO.:nervous2:



But you only live once:LOLOL
 
Al Buff said:
really? thats strange.. my bottle has a very short working time and dust like crazy, but when you dilute it with something, it works good.
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I did mix some IP with it and it did work great. On it's own it's not that great and does dust and has lethal spatter.



I am hoping this new line of correction polishes I am getting soon works perfect.
 
rydawg said:
I am very surprised that 3M could not do a better job with their 3000 series Swirl Remover polish. It does work for a long time, but the spatter is awful, and it will not remove much of anything. I do not know of anyone yet to like this polish.
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Is it worse than Perfect-It III Swirl Mark Remover that it's supposed to replace?



That stuff was, eh, not my favorite :bolt



Prior to the 3000's release, I had gone through gallons of the Perfect-It Foam Polish Pad Glaze. It was better than the PIII.



Still waiting for 3M to step up on the Swirl Remover.
 
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