Should I pull the trigger? - Zymol Concours

I have raved about this product and zymol's line of waxes for a good while here. A few of our members know how I feel about this product...so I'll spare you some of my old lines, except for the following:



You will only realize just how good (or maybe not so good) Concours is by trying it and comparing it to what you were using before and/or any wax within or below its price range.



One word of advice: Seriously refrain from topping or combining other lsp products with concours. Concours IMO has shown its greatest strength and range of color rendering and reflective depth when it has been applied to thoroughly prepped, wax free paint. Make sure, for your best initial results, that you follow Zymol's (brief) directions closely.



You could also search some of the topics, cutting thru some of the *stuff*, and see a few posted results and descriptions of experiences and techniques that other users have had success with.



Good luck!
 
lbls1 said:
I have raved about this product and zymol's line of waxes for a good while here. A few of our members know how I feel about this product...so I'll spare you some of my old lines, except for the following:



You will only realize just how good (or maybe not so good) Concours is by trying it and comparing it to what you were using before and/or any wax within or below its price range.



One word of advice: Seriously refrain from topping or combining other lsp products with concours. Concours IMO has shown its greatest strength and range of color rendering and reflective depth when it has been applied to thoroughly prepped, wax free paint. Make sure, for your best initial results, that you follow Zymol's (brief) directions closely.



You could also search some of the topics, cutting thru some of the *stuff*, and see a few posted results and descriptions of experiences and techniques that other users have had success with.



Good luck!
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The goal was to apply a wax only to my 350Z right after polishing with SIP and 106FF. I do not want sealant. From what I gather from you and a few others is that it is worth it. I am willing to buy either Concours or Souveran within the next week or so. How does Concours work and look on Black paint? I currently use Victoria and love the looks but it can be a PITA to remove and buff to perfection.
 
Hi kapinnn.

"I currently use Victoria and love the looks but it can be a PITA to remove and buff to perfection."



I have been telling people for years that Victoria Wax is a PITA, I hope now they will take us seriously. David Wyllie Sr.
 
David Wyllie said:
Hi kapinnn.

"I currently use Victoria and love the looks but it can be a PITA to remove and buff to perfection."



I have been telling people for years that Victoria Wax is a PITA, I hope now they will take us seriously. David Wyllie Sr.
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I sure hope so... Right now I think the looks it gives makes it worth being hard to work with. However, I will pay twice as much for a wax with the same looks and easier application. I'm considering Souveran, Zymol Concours, or Swissvax Concorso.
 
kapinnn said:
The goal was to apply a wax only to my 350Z right after polishing with SIP and 106FF. I do not want sealant. From what I gather from you and a few others is that it is worth it. I am willing to buy either Concours or Souveran within the next week or so. How does Concours work and look on Black paint? I currently use Victoria and love the looks but it can be a PITA to remove and buff to perfection.
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I have a lot of respect for Victoria, and thus I've yet to try it, I honestly would not be able to tell you truthfully how it would stack up against Concours. CalgaryDetail, on the other hand, has tried Victoria, so maybe he'll fill you in or even a pm.



Concours would look absolutely stunning on a black or most colors. It is especially talented with the metallics, silver, yup dark orange of yours truly, and red. Red with zymol is just mesmerizing.....that's the only combo that makes my mouth water on impact!!!!



Sealants have their place, and perhaps it isn't appropriate to tell you exactly what I think of them in general, for your purposes your finish IMO would reach its peak with your choice of one media.
 
kapinnn, the Victorias do not contain any added synthetic ingredient which can make the removal easier. Concours needs only a 2-3 minute setting time. If you apply the wax slower, you can remove it in sections.



If you still find it to be a PITA, then switch to a DA (preferably short throw, high OPM) and using a finessing pad you can apply wonderfully thin, even layers - which are much easier to remove.



Yes, the Vic Concours may need a belt sander if you leave it too long, but when your application technique and the setting time of VCon live in harmony, this is a very easy product to work with.
 
Bence said:
kapinnn, the Victorias do not contain any added synthetic ingredient which can make the removal easier. Concours needs only a 2-3 minute setting time. If you apply the wax slower, you can remove it in sections.



If you still find it to be a PITA, then switch to a DA (preferably short throw, high OPM) and using a finessing pad you can apply wonderfully thin, even layers - which are much easier to remove.



Yes, the Vic Concours may need a belt sander if you leave it too long, but when your application technique and the setting time of VCon live in harmony, this is a very easy product to work with.
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Man thanks for the info! I was not letting it dry completely but I was waiting way more than 2-3 minutes. I was applying by hand or applicator over 2-3 panels and going back to the first one to buff. I easily use 2-3 wax/polish removing MFs to remove all that stuff. I'll step up to the PC with a black LC pad and do 1-2 panels at a time. Let's see if it makes it easier.



I still want the Zymol Concours or Swissvax Concorso though... :D
 
I have never used Zymol Concours, I do use Zymol Carbon on almost every car we detail. I really do like it. I would not spend that money on the Concours myself, I don't think it's worth it. I remember at one time you had to apply this with the palm of your hand, no applicator, is this still the case? Have you tried this? It's not easy. 3 good layers of carbon will look great, and save you money. I can put 3 layers of Zymol on in 30 minutes or so to clean paint, I think the Concours will take you much longer.
 
Scottmobileone said:
I have never used Zymol Concours, I do use Zymol Carbon on almost every car we detail. I really do like it. I would not spend that money on the Concours myself, I don't think it's worth it. I remember at one time you had to apply this with the palm of your hand, no applicator, is this still the case? Have you tried this? It's not easy. 3 good layers of carbon will look great, and save you money. I can put 3 layers of Zymol on in 30 minutes or so to clean paint, I think the Concours will take you much longer.
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I currently apply Victoria Concours by bare hand and sometimes with an applicator. It does take a while to do by hand. I think the best way to see if I like the wax is getting it. I can always sell it here If I don't like it and even if I lose some money it won't be that bad.



I gotta choose between Swissvax Concorso and Zymol Concours now...
 
kapinnn said:
Has anyone ordered anything from them recently and received the items quick?
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I only placed one order from them. Took three weeks to ship. Danase get me products next day, so I've never ordered from OCD Garage again. I've also had good luck with Autogeek, Proper Auto Care, Jeff's Werkstatt, and others. There are many excellent alternatives available.
 
I guees i should tune in. First of all, listen to bence. he has some great info and tips. Trust me i learned alot on Vw from him.



ok ack t the topic at hand. Vw can e a pita to remove, but really its worth it. i find if i wax one pannel leave while i wax another pannel then buff the first, then buff the seconed it is not hard to remove. I dont find i use to many clothes and the car comes out great.



i have personaly found it harder to remove Zymol concours compared to Vic Concours. The zymol stuff seams to take a big arm to get off. However if it looks good then who cares...i dont.



Since you have been using the vw stuff you will have a god idea how to work with zymol. The applicaton is similar.



As for a comparsion for looks. Thats a tough one. I think they are really diffrent. Both give optical range more then anything. like any wax they add depth and shine but both also do somthing to the paint. lbls1 has described zymol concoutrs as a wax that give amazing opital range. Unitl i tried it I had no idea.

The same stands true for vw, (since youhave used it you probley have an idea what im talking about). It gives the paint a whole new life.



I found this to be most true on a peralesnt orange eclipse I did. The owner was stunned, The car looked like a diffrent colour (which he loved).



So to say if one is better then the other is hard to say. Both are fun to work with and fun to buff off. Both give amazing results. Both are nice waxes.... i know personaly i use vw on most cars since its less expensive and i dont sacrafice results... bit every once in a while i want somthing diffrent so i go to concours....



well this probley makes no sence but its just my ramblings lol.



hope it helps





p.s lbls1, youknow you want to give VW a shot. I have a feeling it might replace the p21s you use onthe winter rides :)
 
Thanks calgarydetail, great info there. I guess I should refine my Vic application before moving into Zymol and Swissvax territory. A full detail of my Z is long overdue. Whenever I have free time I end up scheduling a detail and while other people's cars look awesome mine looks ok at best... :(



I'll give Vic another shot, this time removing faster. I'll also wash the next day and apply a second layer. Let's see how it turns out... Now... for a glamour shot of my ride... The finish is full of swirls so I'll need to spend a while on it.



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I am STILL getting an EG or Swissvax in the next few weeks, though.
 
kapinnn & Mike, thank for the kind words! :D



kapinnn, yes the temptation is always there, so I can understand your situation.



Chime back when you tried the faster application method. You could read more than a few times that layer thickness is the key. Apply the wax as thinly as possible. If you still have a dried, stubborn spot, try to re-liquify the wax with its own solvent. Apply a small amount on the top of the dried spot, wait a bit, the remove. Alternatively if you have the Vic QD, you can spritz a towel (or the spot itself), then try to remove the spots.



Vic Concours may be the purest hand applied wax today with no silicones, gelling agents, etc. The Collectors has 4% less wax (by weight) in it and its removal is easier - but it provides 90-95% of the Concours' look.



AFAIK, Zymöl had had their purest formulas somewhere between 1985 and 1990. Since then they are using man-made ingredients too.
 
calgarydetail said:
I guees i should tune in. First of all, listen to bence. he has some great info and tips. Trust me i learned alot on Vw from him.



ok ack t the topic at hand. Vw can e a pita to remove, but really its worth it. i find if i wax one pannel leave while i wax another pannel then buff the first, then buff the seconed it is not hard to remove. I dont find i use to many clothes and the car comes out great.



i have personaly found it harder to remove Zymol concours compared to Vic Concours. The zymol stuff seams to take a big arm to get off. However if it looks good then who cares...i dont.



Since you have been using the vw stuff you will have a god idea how to work with zymol. The applicaton is similar.



As for a comparsion for looks. Thats a tough one. I think they are really diffrent. Both give optical range more then anything. like any wax they add depth and shine but both also do somthing to the paint. lbls1 has described zymol concoutrs as a wax that give amazing opital range. Unitl i tried it I had no idea.

The same stands true for vw, (since youhave used it you probley have an idea what im talking about). It gives the paint a whole new life.



I found this to be most true on a peralesnt orange eclipse I did. The owner was stunned, The car looked like a diffrent colour (which he loved).



So to say if one is better then the other is hard to say. Both are fun to work with and fun to buff off. Both give amazing results. Both are nice waxes.... i know personaly i use vw on most cars since its less expensive and i dont sacrafice results... bit every once in a while i want somthing diffrent so i go to concours....



well this probley makes no sence but its just my ramblings lol.



hope it helps





p.s lbls1, youknow you want to give VW a shot. I have a feeling it might replace the p21s you use onthe winter rides :)
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Da(r)n Calgary...........you had my number just right. I want to try it like you wouldn't believe. I'm goin' broke!!!! Lol!



BTW: Concours still is applied by hand as they've described it. Zymols still contain all- natural ingredients, judging from their ingredients listed in their catalog. It may be, however, that the dyes in waxes such as red rouge and the bright yellow in concours may be some type of concoction (along with the scent). The other EG's after concours are all natural, however.
 
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