SG curing time

foxtrapper said:
Some lab type studies.
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Can I ask what lab type studies? I'm just curious here. The 12-24 hours sound logical to me, but if you have something real to contradict it, I'm interest.



On the other hand, does anyone ever ask Klasse inc. about that. It might be interesting to have there view. They design it, so they should know about stuff like that.



I like fact, studies, the real stuff :D
 
Odin Mz3 said:
On the other hand, does anyone ever ask Klasse inc. about that. It might be interesting to have there view. They design it, so they should know about stuff like that.



I like fact, studies, the real stuff :D
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Like everything on Autopia, this curing issue has been discussed ad nauseum. :p



That's not a criticism, just a fact.



As such I think this has been investigated by the founding members (fathers :D ) through dialogue with both manufacturer and distributors of Klasse.



It wasn't conjured up out of the aether and its not based on 'feel'...it is sound chemistry. :xyxthumbs
 
Klasse is apparently not the ideal sealant for professional detailing, heh. Right now I use KSG as my sealant, both for customer cars and my own cars. I only use it on certain customer cars, and I typically do the exterior of the car first and apply the SG, then do the interior and remove the SG when I'm done. At this point, it is too early to top the SG with a wax, yes?



For my own cars which have much more availability, I usually wait 24+ hours to layer.
 
So I guess it doesn't hurt to wash your vehicle between coats of SG? Because I can't let my truck sit in the garage for 24 hours. I have to use it everyday and it gets dirty.
 
Odin Mz3 said:
Can I ask what lab type studies? I'm just curious here. The 12-24 hours sound logical to me, but if you have something real to contradict it, I'm interest.



On the other hand, does anyone ever ask Klasse inc. about that. It might be interesting to have there view. They design it, so they should know about stuff like that.



I like fact, studies, the real stuff :D
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Testing post



I've been doing some more testing, using the painted hood of my truck. But I got sidetracked and screwed up the methodology as a result, so I've got to re-do it all. What I can say that I observed in that testing, flawed that it was:



1) I have indications of layering on painted surfaces. I did this by using a sharpie marker on each layer, numbering them as I go. I am seeing wearing away of the those numbers in a progressive manner, indicating multiple layers. This is only on the area where I applied the layers rapidly. The area where I was doing the 24 wait got screwed up and I don't have data there.



2) I've got contrary results to the SG even being there by standard measures of water beading, shine, color, etc when compared to the ajacent painted areas that were not treated.
 
foxtrapper said:
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2) I've got contrary results to the SG even being there by standard measures of water beading, shine, color, etc when compared to the ajacent painted areas that were not treated. [/B]
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Are you implying that the AIO is really what does the protection?
 
Pb2theMax said:
So I guess it doesn't hurt to wash your vehicle between coats of SG? Because I can't let my truck sit in the garage for 24 hours. I have to use it everyday and it gets dirty.
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That's what I do on our minivan, which is also in daily use. It works fine.
 
WOW thank foxtrapper



I cant believe I missed that thread. Its really interesting, exactly what I were talking about. I'm still not sure though. Probably like most of the guys here, I cant say if it dry in minutes or take a full 24hr like some claim.



Its probably gonna stay a mystery of live
 
magic24 said:
Klasse is apparently not the ideal sealant for professional detailing, heh. Right now I use KSG as my sealant, both for customer cars and my own cars. I only use it on certain customer cars, and I typically do the exterior of the car first and apply the SG, then do the interior and remove the SG when I'm done. At this point, it is too early to top the SG with a wax, yes?



For my own cars which have much more availability, I usually wait 24+ hours to layer.
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I guess that depends on the customer schedule, more than anything else. Is Klasse a professional grade detailing product Yes ! I can understand that certain customers do not have the time for the Klasse cure time. I suggest Zaino Z2Pro with ZFX, if you need to do multiple coats in a short period of time. Top it with Z8, and Voil'a ! A great detail.... up to 3 coats of sealant !:xyxthumbs





If you have customers who have the time, Klasse can be an option. But the curing time is not the same as drying time. According to my understanding of curing, a polymer has to be exposed to air (oxygen) as a condition of the curing process. This is why the re-coating issue comes up in the first place, IMHO. An additional layer would cut off the oxygen to the first. The situation is worsened if a dissimilar product , such as a carnauba is applied. The Carnauba would "smother" the polymer by creating an air resistant layer. The need to have oxygen present is also the reason rain is not welcome while polymers are curing...:xyxthumbs Although BF and SG are probably significantly different from each other, I remember the brochure/directions from BF specifically addressing the issue of polymers needing O2 to cure. I am sure the same applies to most polymer sealants.:xyxthumbs
 
foxtrapper said:
I've been doing some more testing, using the painted hood of my truck... What I can say that I observed in that testing...was:



1) I have indications of layering on painted surfaces. I did this by using a sharpie marker on each layer, numbering them as I go. I am seeing wearing away of the those numbers in a progressive manner, indicating multiple layers.
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Any updates on this, Foxtrapper?
 
Nothing high tech or especially surprising.



The layers are disapearing in the order they were laid down (judging by the sharpie number). No difference between the sides laid down back to back vs those with the 24 hour wait. The paint is fading nicely under the SG.
 
The paint is fading??? Other than that, I find this a fascinating experiment and provides an empirical basis for a fast way to build up layers in a short time.
 
foxtrapper said:
Nothing high tech or especially surprising.



The layers are disapearing in the order they were laid down (judging by the sharpie number). No difference between the sides laid down back to back vs those with the 24 hour wait. The paint is fading nicely under the SG.
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Now this is truly interesting. After I get moved I'll have to try this experiment myself.



Mikeman out.
 
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