Sealant test over a Glaze base

[Fishpimp]

I thought the purpose of a glaze was to hide and fill? If we are starting with a perfectly polished surface than what will the glaze enhance?

Secondly a glaze under a sealant? Ummmm hmmmm. Glazes themselves don't last that long do they? So what is the sealant adhearing too?

I think a good test for a glaze would be on a less than stellar finish.

 

[Fishpimp]

I don't believe it anyone have a CAM that we can take pics of this ground breaking process

I guess I'm not the only one who is still touched... LOL I don't think I will ever heal from the 5-10 second wash.

 

[JaredPointer]

I thought the purpose of a glaze was to hide and fill? If we are starting with a perfectly polished surface than what will the glaze enhance?

Secondly a glaze under a sealant? Ummmm hmmmm. Glazes themselves don't last that long do they? So what is the sealant adhearing too?

I think a good test for a glaze would be on a less than stellar finish.

Sometimes you can use a glaze to try and get a different (i.e. more wet, more glow) look than you would get without one.

 

[cwcad]

I thought the purpose of a glaze was to hide and fill? If we are starting with a perfectly polished surface than what will the glaze enhance?

Secondly a glaze under a sealant? Ummmm hmmmm. Glazes themselves don't last that long do they? So what is the sealant adhearing too?

I think a good test for a glaze would be on a less than stellar finish.

That is a problem with testing on specific areas. Several days before I started this thread I had tried to polish the roof and tonneau cover and.... try as I might.... I was not able to get very good results. I started on the hood a few days later. Spent less time but used the same products, pads, and machines which produced good results. I was commited to the hood area so I continued with the test.

One of the features touted by the seller of DWG is the fact that it does well as a stand alone product. It was also clamed that this particular glaze could be layered. (Does this mean that it does not have cleaners in it?) So this is part of my test to see if these claims are accurate.

 

[cwcad]

It is time for an update and the weather aided me by raining the other day. I like to use natural rain vs. using a hose to view beading characteristics. Here are the pictures taken one day short of week three.
My observations will follow the pictures.

I have to say that the changes are subtle in the test area. I also have the advantage to view the area in real time to see the motion of the beads as the rain hits the hood. I spent 15 minutes standing in the rain and watched as the beading changed. On both test areas near the windshield the beading drops are growing larger. As to why is a conundrum to me. I believe this is because of wind and heat. Could the fact that it is on an edge of the hood cause greater abrasiveness or more heat of longer duration? The reason that I ask is.... I do not see this larger beading on the lead edge of the hood. It may be cooler longer at the front vs. the back of the hood causing more deterioration on the back edge of the hood.

While observing the rain beading on the hood the larger beads got so big that they broke free causing the streaks or water lines on the hood. The beads never broke in the middle of the area where the heat seems to be equal and the bead size seems to be uniform on all of the products in the middle test areas as well.

The hood was washed cleaned from the deluge of the overnight. So that gives me reason to keep my vehicles polished to help keep the vehicle clean longer. Duh....is this not what the companies always claim?

I detect smaller, albeit slight, beading on the passenger front edge of the hood versus the driver side front edge.

All in all the hood is doing well and I cannot see a difference in the look or shine anywhere on the hood. I forgot to do a physical touch of the paint to comment on the slickness (can slickness be judged by looking?)

 

[CharlesW]

:bigups:bigups:bigups
Nice update!
Looking good for an old black truck.

I have to say something about one comment.

I spent 15 minutes standing in the rain and watched as the beading changed.

Is it any wonder your wife and neighbors think you are a tooth out of time?

I've never done that, but I have finished a hose & bucket wash in the rain and then dried the vehicle in the garage. :notme:

 

[Stephan]

I forgot to do a physical touch of the paint to comment on the slickness (can slickness be judged by looking?)

Well kind of by the fact that the larger water beads have made there way off the hood, it must be slick to do that...

 

[cwcad]

Well kind of by the fact that the larger water beads have made there way off the hood, it must be slick to do that...

True yet it may not show on the picture but the truck is parked on a hill with the nose higher than the back of the hood.

Charles W....it is always a source of wonder to me what actually takes up my time. I did not set out to observe the hood for that period of time. I was so intent to peruse the test area that the time just seemed to pass. Guess I need a jobassout:

 

[cwcad]

It is the fourth week of my test and here are my pictures to go with my comments.

Front hood shot.

Right side hood.

Left side hood shot.

I traveled this last week through the dry part of the state and managed to go through a lot of wind caused dust and dust of construction zones. The vehicle actually looked shiny but the layer of dust from the afore mentioned areas seems to have effected beading characteristics. At least that is what I believe to be the reason. There appears to be a change of beading or lack of surface tension making the beading appear less even. I am not able to discern a difference between the products on the hood. IMO, all are holding up well considering the condition of the paint. I have other vehicles around with different products that were applied before the start of the test area that have better surface tension but were not subjected to the dust and wind of my recent trip.

I am trying hard not to effect the test with shampoos, QD's, or spray sealants on the test area. Each product needs to stand on its own. It has been very hard to NOT do anything to the truck. Only good thing is the fact that I am not instilling any self induced swirls. If the weather remains nice out I will post up pictures of a clean test area the next time I update this thread.

 

[CharlesW]

It is the fourth week of my test and here are my pictures to go with my comments.

I am trying hard not to effect the test with shampoos, QD's, or spray sealants on the test area. Each product needs to stand on its own.

Does this mean that the water beading is from a rain rather than the truck being sprayed with a hose?

It is interesting that "I" can't really see any difference in the areas with the various products applied.

Will you have to deal with some water spots after the rain or do you plan to go ahead and wash the truck now?
It might be interesting to see how the products handle the water spotting, but if they don't handle it too good, you could have a lot of work getting them removed.

Four weeks without washing. Man I almost couldn't handle four weeks without washing during our snow, drizzle, freezing rain period. :wall

 

[Stephan]

I give you credit you have pushed this test through its courses...I also couldn't go a couple days without washing my car let alone how long you have...

I am also curious like Charles said to see if individual products reacted differently to water spotting...

 

[cwcad]

Does this mean that the water beading is from a rain rather than the truck being sprayed with a hose?

It is interesting that "I" can't really see any difference in the areas with the various products applied.

Will you have to deal with some water spots after the rain or do you plan to go ahead and wash the truck now?
It might be interesting to see how the products handle the water spotting, but if they don't handle it too good, you could have a lot of work getting them removed.

Four weeks without washing. Man I almost couldn't handle four weeks without washing during our snow, drizzle, freezing rain period. :wall

Yes, the beading is from a torrential down pour from mother nature.

I have been doing a weekly clean up with S&W for the test. I like S&W but I use it since I beleive that it does not leave anything but a clean surface when used.

So far water spotting has not been a problem. I attribute that with the products tested doing their job and the cleaning ability of S&W.

Since there is not a noticeable difference in beading anywhere on the test area it makes me wonder if the glaze is actually having an effect on the test. Could the glaze be determining the characteristics of the beading?

 

[Stephan]

Could the glaze be determining the characteristics of the beading?

It may especially if you believe that the glaze has a filling effect...perhaps larger beads would be where the glaze has filled an area, and smaller where they are seprated by a tiny inperfection...just a guess...

 

[CharlesW]

Your wash procedure is different than I was thinking. I thought you meant you had not done any type of wash/cleanup procedure.

If you were going to let the water shown in the pictures evaporate, I think you might have a water spotting problem.

One thing is obvious.
Since the Zaino is not defeating all the other products by a large margin, there can be only one explanation.
You must have used it incorrectly.

 

[Poorboy]

Since the Zaino is not defeating all the other products by a large margin, there can be only one explanation.
You must have used it incorrectly.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:lol2:

 

[JaredPointer]

One thing is obvious.
Since the Zaino is not defeating all the other products by a large margin, there can be only one explanation.
You must have used it incorrectly.

You know, I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't gonna say anything. There's no way, if you use it correctly, that water wouldn't be so scared it bead right up like tiny pellets. And of course that section of the hood would be impervious to mere mortal dangers. Also, it would take an act of a higher power to remove it. So, yeah, methinks you didn't do it right.

 

[cwcad]

You guys are a tough crowd.:wall I will continue this test dispite all of your ridicule. :rofl

Was talking with a forum member about the properties of S&W. This member thought that S&W leaves something behind that causes beading. It may but all sealants will be treated equally so it does not matter to me.

Another thought .....maybe bonding has been effected by the glaze and that the reason that the beading is so similar is the fact that the sealants did not bond to the glaze and are gone leaving only the glaze left on the paint surface.

 

[Scott P]

Spray and Wipe will not leave anything behind to cause beading. I imagine there might be minor differences among those products. I'm sure some have even minor cleaning properties that may have affected the amount of glaze that was left underneath.

 

[cwcad]

Another week has gone buy and the hood still looks good. Slickness has diminished appreciably but throughout the test area equally. The hood cleaned up well from the last hand wash. I managed to create problems by not using proper wash techniques last week and left a lot of small water spots through out the test area. I managed to clean the water spots off with a S&W wipedown a few days later. I still have not figured out why it worked after a few days in the sun but did not work on the day of the wash. Oh well...guess stranger things have happened, eh?

Since nothing has changed as far as looks are concerned and it has not rained since my last update all I can do at this time is offer my opinion on what is happening.

It was brought up in another thread that the glaze is the only constant in this test. I guess the other constant is the paint in the test area as well. Having considered this constant it makes me wonder if the glaze is effecting the bonding of the sealants in the test. Here are the reasons that I think this.

The beading characteristics are uniform throughout the test area. In prior testing I could always tell beading differences by product(i.e., sealants hold tighter beading versus carnuabas longer).

Dust accumulations seems to be the same throughout the test area. In previous observations it was noted that one test section appeared to have more dust than the other test areas.

Visual observations showed previously had at least one test area different in the look of the paint(i.e. NXT2.0 was visually darker than the rest of the test area. Next was PS albeit slight)

Texture of the paint also gave an indication of a different product. None of them did a bad job there simply was a difference in feel. I do not feel this difference now. All feel the same.

For these reasons I submit that the glaze applied has effected the bonding of the sealants in the test. I feel that I have protection on the paint but I do not feel that the sealants involved in the test are giving me their characteristics but rather have been diminished to the point that the only thing that is left is the one constant in the test. The glaze itself.

I will know more later on in the week since the weather forecast is that rain will come to central Texas.
I will update with pictures as it happens.

I solicit any comments on my musings.

 

[Stephan]

Another week has gone buy and the hood still looks good. Slickness has diminished appreciably but throughout the test area equally. The hood cleaned up well from the last hand wash. I managed to create problems by not using proper wash techniques last week and left a lot of small water spots through out the test area. I managed to clean the water spots off with a S&W wipedown a few days later. I still have not figured out why it worked after a few days in the sun but did not work on the day of the wash. Oh well...guess stranger things have happened, eh?

Since nothing has changed as far as looks are concerned and it has not rained since my last update all I can do at this time is offer my opinion on what is happening.

It was brought up in another thread that the glaze is the only constant in this test. I guess the other constant is the paint in the test area as well. Having considered this constant it makes me wonder if the glaze is effecting the bonding of the sealants in the test. Here are the reasons that I think this.

The beading characteristics are uniform throughout the test area. In prior testing I could always tell beading differences by product(i.e., sealants hold tighter beading versus carnuabas longer).

Dust accumulations seems to be the same throughout the test area. In previous observations it was noted that one test section appeared to have more dust than the other test areas.

Visual observations showed previously had at least one test area different in the look of the paint(i.e. NXT2.0 was visually darker than the rest of the test area. Next was PS albeit slight)

Texture of the paint also gave an indication of a different product. None of them did a bad job there simply was a difference in feel. I do not feel this difference now. All feel the same.

For these reasons I submit that the glaze applied has effected the bonding of the sealants in the test. I feel that I have protection on the paint but I do not feel that the sealants involved in the test are giving me their characteristics but rather have been diminished to the point that the only thing that is left is the one constant in the test. The glaze itself.

I will know more later on in the week since the weather forecast is that rain will come to central Texas.
I will update with pictures as it happens.

I solicit any comments on my musings.

continued great study:bigups

The part on the beading I find interesting, especially how you mention the uniformity of the water beads on the paint. Where as without glaze you can easily distinguish certain products ie sealants and waxes, it seems with the glaze it bonds the LSP to the glaze itself...it seems like the glaze actaully offers some type of protection...although I always thought it didn't