Sealant layering without 12 hour cure?

I would say any sealant if you have conditions on the favorable side, such as warm temps and low humidity......

I would say 12 hrs is sufficient anyway, under normal conditions.....24 hrs is optimal, but not necessary......
 
I was looking for a sealant that can be layered several times during a 1 day detailing session.



What about Finish Kare Polymer Sealant?



Here is a techs description about the product on their forum.



FINISH KARE 2180 ULTRA Seal A.S.



FINISH KARE 2180 ULTRA Seal A.S.



BODY SHOP SAFE



2180 ULTRA is a polymer sealant not a wax or a glaze and can be applied as a final enduring finish to freshly painted surfaces within 24 hours of repair.



Formulated with polymer/copolymer and amino functional resins these effect a cationic factor which allows them to attach to the finish forming a protective film allowing paint to breathe and withstand high temperatures up to 400 degrees.



2180 ULTRA contains no dimethyl silicones, as they are a wet greasy evaporative, migratory component. This special formulation allows the solvents to evaporate while not allowing contaminates to attack the surface; in other words they breathe out, not in.



• 2180 ULTRA will breathe with fresh paint

• No harmful silicones

• Gives long lasting protection and gloss

• Easy application and removal

• Will not evaporate or wash away

• Will not hide or cover-up

• Patented anti-static formula eliminates dust cling



Here it mentions that 2180 can also be layered after a 20 minute cure time compared to most manufactures 12-24 hour wait.



What is the cure time for waxes and sealants?



John
 
I was looking for a sealant that can be layered several times during a 1 day detailing session.



What about Finish Kare Polymer Sealant?



Here is a techs description about the product on their forum.



FINISH KARE 2180 ULTRA Seal A.S.



FINISH KARE 2180 ULTRA Seal A.S.



BODY SHOP SAFE



2180 ULTRA is a polymer sealant not a wax or a glaze and can be applied as a final enduring finish to freshly painted surfaces within 24 hours of repair.



Formulated with polymer/copolymer and amino functional resins these effect a cationic factor which allows them to attach to the finish forming a protective film allowing paint to breathe and withstand high temperatures up to 400 degrees.



2180 ULTRA contains no dimethyl silicones, as they are a wet greasy evaporative, migratory component. This special formulation allows the solvents to evaporate while not allowing contaminates to attack the surface; in other words they breathe out, not in.



• 2180 ULTRA will breathe with fresh paint

• No harmful silicones

• Gives long lasting protection and gloss

• Easy application and removal

• Will not evaporate or wash away

• Will not hide or cover-up

• Patented anti-static formula eliminates dust cling



Here it mentions that 2180 can also be layered after a 20 minute cure time compared to most manufactures 12-24 hour wait.



What is the cure time for waxes and sealants?



"...you can apply additional coats of wax or sealer after the 10-20 minute dry time without compromising the individual applications. You do not need to wait hours or days between applicationsl. This is something that is a bit unique to Finish Kare's products."





John
 
John, I'll carefully watch for your evaluation of Finish Kare's product.

Certainly their claims are unique, as is their overall approach to the market.



Admittedly, I'm quite skeptical. But it would be an ideal product for my operation...



Jim
 
You can apply other sealants besides Zaino right after the initial application but not sure if they would truly layer like Zaino w/ZFX.



The Detailer's Pride Sealant needs a full 12 hours under completely dry conditions to properly cure but after that point, it will layer. Can't apply one coat right after another though.



Personally, I like to use products that protect sufficiently with a single application and honestly, a single layer of Zaino protects well. Other than a second layer to ensure complete coverage, I think the benefits of layering are mostly psychological. :nixweiss That being said, I probably wax my own car every other wash just to keep the appearance as fresh as possible.
 
Afaik, they all set up in a matter of minutes, not hours. I know that Klasse SG and NXT have no problems layers in a matter of minutes. I actually tested this using a sharpie marker between layers. No smearing took place.
 
Foxtrapper what was your methodology on your sharpie test .. I tried one of my own using a Jiffy Marker. The SG wouldn't dissolve the Jiffy line so applying another SG layer 20 minutes after the first told me nothing. If it did or didn't lift the first layer it still never lifted the Juffy ink.



When you did yours would SG dissolve the sharpie ink when applied to it directly? In other words lay down a line of Sharpie ink .. put a layer of SG on it .. did it lift it?
 
Jess...you don't want the SG to lift the Sharpie mark...foxtrapper talked about this in another thread. You want the mark to sit on top of the layer of SG, and not be removed by the suceeding layer. So you put down a layer, write a number on it (1). Then put down another layer, and write "2" on it, and so on. Then, as the layers wear off, the numbers will wear off, one by one. The theory would be also that if putting the SG on doesn't disturb the mark, it isn't disturbing the previous layer, either. Is the Jiffy marker water soluble?
 
WOW, so you mean to tell me I dont have to wait 24hrs to layer SG? This is great if true! Would love to see the sharpie results in picture form.
 
Jesstzn,



Actually, your test did tell you that you were layering. Since you saw no reaction, there was no chemical dissolving taking place with the lower layer. You were just laying layers upon layers. If you'd seen the line smear, you'd know either the previous layer was disolving, or possibly the marker ink itself.



I did a bunch of layers quite rapidly on the hood of my truck. Numerically counted the layers as I went. So, my truck has a count up to 12 or 13 across side of the hood where I put a bunch of layers back to back (about 1-5 minutes time seperation). The other side only went up as high as 4 or so. Those were 24 hour waits.



I then ignored them and just watched. Nothing happened for a long time. Then the high numbers started to fade away. Things continued to wear away until I don't think there's anything on the hood at the moment.



The center of the hood had nothing on it at all. Just bare washed paint. At this point, several months later, everything looks the same. Interestingly I could see the red paint fading to pink under the SG at about the same rate as the bare center section. I've run into this before with my red Volvo. That car's determined to be pink. I've had it fade to pink under SG as well. It may be an inherent aspect of old non-clear coated red paints. I can take a day and polish it up to a nice deep red and wax it all up. But in a few weeks, you can start to see that funny patina that's very distinctly under the layer of wax. You're looking through a shiny layer to see it. And then the car gradually goes pink again. The truck does the same thing (when I actually wash or wax it).
 
Pontman43 said:
WOW, so you mean to tell me I dont have to wait 24hrs to layer SG? This is great if true! Would love to see the sharpie results in picture form.
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Yup, you can top another SG/sealant in every wash, IF you want too. You dont have too wait for 12 or 24hrs. :grinno:
 
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