s100 and P21S - different or same...cont'd

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RayMan

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There are tons of threads on this and I haven't found anything definitive to convince my either way. So I decided to email s100. Here are my email exchanges:



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ME: Hi, can I use my S100 Carnauba wax on my car? Is there any difference between my S100 and P21S wax?



S100 Customer Service: Dear Sir, There are indeed chemical differences between the two formulations, but you may use them interchangeably, bikes vs. cars.



ME: Thank you. Can you please highlight the differences between the two?



S100 Customer Service: Dear Sir, We really cannot as this gets into ingredients details which are considered to be a trade secret.



ME: I completely understand not revealing any trade secrets and I wouldn't expect you to. Frankly, listing differences in ingredients wouldn't be any help to me as I wouldn't understand what different chemicals do. I'm looking for differences in characteristics that make s100 more suitable for a bike and what characteristics that make p21s more suitable for a car. As I understand, there is no difference in paint used on a car versus paint used on a bike so I'm quite confused. Please enlighten me in layman's terms without giving away any trade secrets.



S100 Customer Service: The formulas differ a bit to account for the fact that a bike's surface is smaller than a car's. We really cannot go much further without getting into confidential areas. From a practical standpoint, we do not think you would see a big difference if you used the products interchangeably.



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In my opinion, the s100 company's response is not overly convincing. Wax formulated for the size of the surface it's going on to? Sounds pretty hocus-pocus to me but what do I know.



Anyways, even if there is a difference, I doubt the P21S is twice as good.
 
Update:



Here is some additional correspondence after my first post above,



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ME: Sorry to beat a dead horse but can I assume that characteristics such as water-repellency, degree of shine, and longevity of protection are the same?



S100 Customer Service: doubt you would see a difference.



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Reinforces my belief the two are really the same. I think it's shameful they charge double the money for P21S.
 
"S100 Customer Service: The formulas differ a bit to account for the fact that a bike's surface is smaller than a car's. We really cannot go much further without getting into confidential areas. From a practical standpoint, we do not think you would see a big difference if you used the products interchangeably."





See - according to this response, you need BOTH P21S and S100. When waxing a small car body part (fuel door) you should use S100, and when waxing a large panel (hood), you should use P21S. It all makes perfect sense now:lol
 
I'd be curious to hear from anyone that has used both the P21S wheel cleaner vs. the S100 wheel cleaner.
 
S100 wheel cleaner vs P21S wheel cleaner: only change was a greener glow from my wallet, and availability at the local HD dealer.
 
S100 = P21S debate has been going on forever and ever. Long long before the 100% Carnauba from P21S appeared. The S100 you get from HD is NOT the 100% version. It should be 'more or less' the same as the standard P21S Carnauba wax.



You could go search and find threads from 7 years ago on this very forum about it.
 
I was aware of the S100 = P21S debate but phrider was claiming that S100 is the equivalent of P21S 100% but in actuality it really is the normal P21S.
 
Has anyone done a "side-by-side" comparison??



I would think that someone would have by now... I just cant find anything regarding it on here....



:nixweiss
 
I'm still wondering about P21s TAW and Total Cylcle Cleaner. Somebody on another forum e-mailed them about that, and they pretty much gave a similiar answer, that they are different, the TAW is better and they're not at libert to explain why.
 
Ask for MSDS sheets for these products and see if they are the same. If you look at Collinite MSDS reports you will see that 476s, 885 and mold wax are all the same and the only difference is the packaging and marketing.
 
From what I was told is that s100 has a flex agent added to it. And if this is true why doesn’t it cost more than p21s?

Either way I have never seen any difference between the two of them. To me they look exactly alike, so I just go with s100. Plus I get it at the local bike shop. :2thumbs:
 
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