Rust Proofing- Your experiences

Striker

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I am considering getting a brand new 2010 SS cobalt turbocharged. The car will be my daily driver and I want to make sure it gets the best protection from the elements.



All I have around me is Krown rust proofing stores but before making my decision, I wanted to hear everyone's opinions and if there are independent testing that has been conducted with various rust inhibiting products this would be even better.



What's your experience with rust proofing, does it work, do you have any rust forming even after it has been "rust proofed" ?



Thanks!
 
With a new car, I wouldn't bother. Of course you can always buy a can of Amsoil Heavy Duty Metal Protector and do it yourself.
 
Agreed, just don't get sucked into buying that "electronic rust proofer" its complete rubbish, unless you plan on going underwater.
 
On steel-bodied vehicles, I DIY it with stuff from AutoInt and Eastwood.



My Mazda MPV, kept in immaculate, show-quality condition, is constantly rusting from the inside out, and no, Mazda isn't any help. When I was shopping for Suburbans/etc., *every one* of 'em had rust starting in some places where normal people don't look, even the ones I looked at down south (when I finally found my rust-free Yukon XLD I bought it in a heartbeat, and rustproofed it myself). I found rust lurking in some out-of-the-way places on my seemingly nice M3 too. And you can just *guess* how the Beater-Blazer was in that regard ;)



Some of my Benzes and (steel-bodied) Audis never had a spec of rust, but they weren't Chevies either. And they were kept immaculate year-round; how much time do you really plan to spend on the undercarriage every week?



I'd at least buy a few aerosol cans of AutoInt/ValuGard Rust Inhibitor and/or some Eastwood Heavy Duty Anti-Rust. See if there are any known trouble areas that others have discovered. Open up the door panels/etc. and shoot the seams from the inside. Do the hood (MPV's current inside-out rust issue) and the trunklid too. The long applicator nozzles on the cans make such work easy.



If you buy the black version of the Eastwood stuff, you can do a really nice job on the undercarriage; it looks almost like black paint and it's easy to keep looking nice.



I also spray some undercarraige/underhood spots with Amsoil Heavy Duty Metal Protection (I think that's the name). Great for electrical contacts/grounds and fasteners that you don't want rusting solid.



A little work when the car is new and still rust-free can take such concerns pretty much off the table. Well, as long as you still keep things nice and clean (dirt harbors moisture and moisture leads to rust).



I'd be *very* leery of having it done by a pro. Some shops/guys are VERY good, but IMO those are few and far between and a hack could mess up your new car.
 
This was my plan- I was going to take the car, bring it up on the hoist, clean the undercarriage up a little bit, probably just a basic wipe down would do since it's brand new unless you guys recommend otherwise?



After this, I was going to take it to Krown. I like the idea of them going all out on the floor boards, even getting past the door panels to get in it from the inside out. They will remove taillights/headlights if it's needed to get access to the panels. They have special tools to get in the chassis rails as well from what I heard.



I also used this stuff called LPS Rust Inhibitor with good results but unlike Krown, I cant access all of the nooks and crannies they can with the tools at their disposal.
 
waste of money. If you want to slow rust down yourself that is no problem. I have my car from high school...it will out live me and I spent over 4k on rust removal...you cant stop rust unless you strip and drip the frame and chassis. Thats big bucks I have great success with the rust eating primers you can get...If you clean the surfaces and treat them it can turn rust to hard primer...it slows the oxidation rate to near o. Two of my cars are over 40 years old.
 
Striker said:
This was my plan- I was going to take the car, bring it up on the hoist, clean the undercarriage up a little bit, probably just a basic wipe down would do since it's brand new unless you guys recommend otherwise?



That level of clean-up oughta be sufficient, and I don't even use a hoist (not that I wouldn't if I still had easy access to one).



After this, I was going to take it to Krown. .. They have special tools to get in the chassis rails as well from what I heard.



I also used this stuff called LPS Rust Inhibitor with good results but unlike Krown, I cant access all of the nooks and crannies they can with the tools at their disposal.



I guess it depends on the vehicle. I have a pro sprayer with long application attachments (bought after a discussion with Ron K. at AutoInt), but I've never ended up using it as I've always been able to do the work with the spray cans. I *would* want to use something like that for certain jobs though.



paintxpert said:
I have great success with the rust eating primers you can get...If you clean the surfaces and treat them it can turn rust to hard primer...



Are there any good ones that accept lacquer without any issues? I simply *love* how well Eastwood's Rust Encapsulator works (and I'm talking long-term), but it doesn't like lacquer topcoats very well and using them on it is a PIA.
 
Yeah I still don`t know what I`m gonna do. I heard from my father that krown is BS, especially being eco friendly it gets eaten away real fast.



I have a connection in town with the local krown guys and I was reassured that they would do a wicked job, from cleaning the under carriage to the oil spraying.
 
Striker- Well, being able to trust the guys doing the work is a *huge* plus IMO. Ask them about how durable the stuff is supposed to be, and about maintenance/touch ups.
 
Accumulator said:
Striker- Well, being able to trust the guys doing the work is a *huge* plus IMO. Ask them about how durable the stuff is supposed to be, and about maintenance/touch ups.



Accumulator-It's a once a year type of thing. I was going to start off with their undercoating which is flat black and tacky to the touch. After this, I was going to put the oil all over. I'm not sure if you guys have Krown in the states, but here is the link anyways as to what they do and their process.



KROWN RUST CONTROL
 
Striker- Informative link. I think I'd have them *not* shoot certain areas under the hood; what's great for a "normal customer" might not be right for an "Autopian" if you get my drift. I often end up cleaning off some of the factory rustproofing on some cars (BMWs/Benzes) as it's just not tidy enough for my taste (I had some areas of my Jag oil-sprayed; worked fine for rust control but the first few years were a bit messy).



I'd also give thought to that added oil idea; you wouldn't want it to effect a solvent action on the underlying stuff (though I'd expect them to have that all sorted out) and sometimes light products/oils can be awfully messy.



Also, I'm just a little :think: about the stuff they use apparently staying tacky; the products I use end up quite dry to the touch.



Heh heh, gotta admit that the idea of having somebody else do that messy work sounds mighty appealing!
 
Accumulator said:
Striker- Informative link. I think I'd have them *not* shoot certain areas under the hood; what's great for a "normal customer" might not be right for an "Autopian" if you get my drift. I often end up cleaning off some of the factory rustproofing on some cars (BMWs/Benzes) as it's just not tidy enough for my taste (I had some areas of my Jag oil-sprayed; worked fine for rust control but the first few years were a bit messy).



I'd also give thought to that added oil idea; you wouldn't want it to effect a solvent action on the underlying stuff (though I'd expect them to have that all sorted out) and sometimes light products/oils can be awfully messy.



Also, I'm just a little :think: about the stuff they use apparently staying tacky; the products I use end up quite dry to the touch.



Heh heh, gotta admit that the idea of having somebody else do that messy work sounds mighty appealing!



Sorry I'm not following the added oil you speak of. Did you mean the black stuff they lay on first than the oil itself over it? As for the under hood I am 100% with you on that one. I'm very picky as to where it goes and how it looks.



I have my own rust inhibitor that I use on the small connectors/nuts/bolts I simply apply it with a small brush and you can't even tell it's there but still protects awesome.
 
Striker said:
...Sorry I'm not following the added oil you speak of. Did you mean the black stuff they lay on first than the oil itself over it?



Heh heh, this is getting confusing! I was referring to the oil that *you* mentioned a few posts ago:



...I was going to start off with their undercoating which is flat black and tacky to the touch. After this, I was going to put the oil all over...
 
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Accumulator said:
Heh heh, this is getting confusing! I was referring to the oil that *you* mentioned a few posts ago:



Gotcha :lol:



Yea that's what their process is like. Flat black tacky stuff((undercoating)+the oil. I must admit, the car does look very appealing with everything in a nice even black coat.



We mentioned cleaning up the under carriage briefly on the last page, is there a specific cleaner for this or will anything suffice? I have this pretty heavy concentrated orange cleaner (literaly smells like oranges) that I have in bulk.....
 
Striker said:
We mentioned cleaning up the under carriage briefly on the last page, is there a specific cleaner for this or will anything suffice? I have this pretty heavy concentrated orange cleaner (literaly smells like oranges) that I have in bulk.....



The stuff you have will probably be OK. I use citrus-based engine degreasers or stuff like (the rather pricey) P21s TAW or APCs like EF HI.
 
Accumulator said:
The stuff you have will probably be OK. I use citrus-based engine degreasers or stuff like (the rather pricey) P21s TAW or APCs like EF HI.



So you just spray the undercarriage with this stuff in your driveway/garage and just wash off with water?
 
Striker said:
So you just spray the undercarriage with this stuff in your driveway/garage and just wash off with water?



Just depends how dirty things are. New vehicles usually don't need much work, but I'd have plenty of brushes/etc. handy.



Some new vehicles have mighty iffy coatings underneath, not like paint in the normal sense, and you might clean that stuff off uncovering bare metal if you're not careful. Wonder what your guy at Krown would say :think:



I'd take delivery and see what it's like. I bet it won't need much cleanup at all.
 
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