rotary help!!

Anthony Orosco said:
I almost always finish off my rotary jobs with a LC blue fine finishing pad and Menzerna Final Polish. This still leaves some swirls but they are very light and a passing with my Cyclo and some FP usually takes care of them.
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Ah! Even one of the best in the business follows up with a Cyclo :xyxthumbs



The final Cyclo step can make the whole polishing process more fun! It makes up for the frustration you may encounter with the rotary.
 
Anthony,



you'd a good idea to reply using this thread as others too can benefit from your reply. I remember maybe 2 months ago or so you mentioned in a thread that you were testing a technique to make the finish perfect using a rotary alone, and that you'd keep us posted--I guess it didn't work in the end ? Thank you Anthony, as you'Ve taken some weight off my shoulder with your post :D .



I think I may possesed by some ancient detailer spirit, and may need an exorsist to rid me of that evil :). I admit I'm sooooo excessive and like Accumulator said : *it takes the fun out of detailling*. Yesterday I came to the conclusion that following with a pc is MANDATORY, as however hard I tried using the rotary it wouldn't cut it :( . The swirls/holograms that are left, quite noticeable in sunlight, but when looking at thme from upclose, they're ever so fine/nano scratches !



As Bill said, if Anthony has to resort to the PC, as well as Mike Phillips, then it's cause it's has to be used period :D



Anthony : What would you say to someone who claims to make a finish perfect (swirls, marring, holograms free) using the rotary only ? Would tell him to get out in the sun and wash the car, and then inspect ? If you can't do it, and Mike can't either (and God knows both of you have acquired quite a rep on here), then someone who claims he can do this each and everytime is prolly not inspecting the finish properly and not under the best of all lighting source : THE SUN. Lathought other sort of light wil reveal different flaws, the sun is still the best of them all to inspect for swirls/holograms as far as I know. It's those who claim to make the finish perfect with a rotary that make me want to do it, but I'm REALLY starting to question if they indeed inspect the finish properly after a good wash, or prepsol ?? I thin kit may explain why some say they can pull such a feat.



Acumulator, you're quite right in your comments about me :*life is short*. I always go to extremes...at times it pays off quite a bit, but at what price :( :o



I guess I'll now subscribe to some priesthood forum, to rid my life of this evil detailling spirit that won't leave me alone :D



Thanks guys :Anthony, Accumulator, Bill for your support, I REALLY appreciate your help each and everytime, although it may not always looks so.



Have a nice evening ya'll:wavey
 
Chip Douglas said:
I guess I'll now subscribe to some priesthood forum, to rid my life of this evil detailling spirit that won't leave me alone :D



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LOL Nah, just complete "the blessed trinity": rotary, PC and Cyclo and then you ought to be good to go :xyxthumbs



I'd highly encourage trying some different polishes and pads: like a handy man or mechanic: one set of screwdrivers, wrenches, etc can do a job but more than one can make it more efficient and effective.



Keep us posted with all of your polishing endeavors :wavey
 
Accumulator,



I think you've used a buffer for quite some time now--would you say it's normal for one to get holograms, even with a finishing pad ? (Meg's finishing pad). Of course these are ugly, but not deep holograms. I've tried with the pc and the same finishing pad, and it takes care of them :). So as far as I can see, it's quite normal to get light holograms even with a finishing pad on the rotary ?



Have a great weekend there :)
 
i just did my dads truck w/ a rotory and didnt use a PC. I didnt get any holograms. I started w/ IP @ 1500rpms & an orange pad then went to FPII @1500rpms w/finishing pad. & let me tell you that FPII doesnt leave any micromarring. I was like :shocked wow i did aio by hand then zaino. Man i forgot how plasticy zaino looked:down needless to say i dont like the way zaino looks any more. I should have gone AIO then EX-P or CM.
 
When you were done buffing, did you wash the car and bring it out in the bright sunlight for inspection ? If not, then it may be why you didn't see any :), or perhaps you're really good and experienced with the rotary. As to me I'm starting to question my skills lol.
 
well i was working out in the sun using my 50/50 mix and i didnt see any. when i wash it agian in a couple of days ill let you know. I wouldnt wash the car after i finish using my smr i dont see why you would. Your 50/50 mix should take care of that so you dont have to re-wash.

I got my buffing techniques from the man

Anthony Orosco, hes real good at giving instructions on what to do. Although it may seem like a lot to read i have a lot of his post on paper and read them if i have any problems if that doesnt work i give him a call or email & he's great at helping me out.........:bow Anthony
 
Humm then no wonder you'Re good :) Anthony sure is good, there's no doubt about it, and he's a good guy as well. He's helped me out too, and I'm greatful to him for it.



How fast are you moving the buffer onthe paint ? (arms speed or something ?).



How much pressure do you use ?



What pads are you using ?



As to me, I keep the pad as flat as humanly possible, and was told by a local detailer, even if you accidentally tilt it a bit (not a major tilt mind you), it shouldn't be a problem.



Do you constantly have your hand over the spindle when polishing ?



Thanks :xyxthumbs
 
Gee come to think of it, could it be that my finishing pad is worn and is the source of my holograms ?? How long do you use the same pad ?
 
i work in 2x2 sections pretty slow w/little to no pressure you have to let the machine do w the work.



Im using the new LC pads. orange/IP, white/FPII



i can place a drop of product on the panel every 3" or so. Then i go over it w/ the rotory w/out splatter. It works but you have to practice at it but sometimes i do get product all over my face ;) so it doesnt work all the time. But tilting at 10 or 2 shouldnt be too much of a problem unless you heating up the paint too much then your gonna get problems (holograms)



I always have my hand on the handle but the key is to polish w/ your upper torso not your arms then it will cause rotory hop if your outta balance. So use you body to control the machine. Relax & breathe which will make you less tense therefore causing less problems. if your relaxed enough and have a good amount of product on the pad you should be able to hold the machine w/ one hand( i dont recommend doing this its just something i saw anthony doing and it impressed the $hit outta me) that shows the machine is doing its work. Also make sure your using the 6" pads cause w/ the 8" pads i was having all sorts of problems.

Im more comfortable w/ the 6 & 6.5 pads.



Just practice and dont work too much of an area, building up head tends to shorten the consistency of the product due to friction. So its not like a PC where you can sit there and do a whole 12x12 w/one drop. When your working w/ a rotory the product doesnt last long but it has to last you the section your working. take time do a little at a time and mess w/it that way. If you try to practice buffing out a whole car its going to get more stressful. So just do something small like a trunk lid or a 1/4 of a hood, dont loose sleep over trying to figure this out so soon. The only way i learned by what anthony showed me was to do what i told you then everyday when i got home from work i practiced on my own car on the spoiler after a month or so doing it everyday for an hour or 2 you get the hang of it. WHen you learn the basic manuvering of it then you can lean more onto mastering the machine GOOD LUCK. ALso if i can ill get pics of that truck or ill do one as a demo and post them for you when i get a chance.



As far as the micro marring goes FPII does work a lot better than FP IMHO i think using it w/ a white pad caused it to not create any swirls but w meguiars products i have a lot of swirls. When i use TOL or Menzerna i dont get any swirls even w/ the 50.50 mix.
 
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