I think I used about 3-5 oz. for 3 gallons of water. When I went to refill it, I had the nozzle setting on soaker. I then agitate the water a bit with my wash brush, then start to wash. Initially, the first time I fill, I have it on soaker too. When the suds get to be almost too much, I switch to a center shower type of spray to keep the bubbles coming but much more controlled so that the water/soap ratio is increased. It then looks much like your bucket. My bucket doesn't look like that on the refill. Maybe it is because I use a brush instead of a sponge? :dunno And thank you Steve, for what you said. I am not angry nor do I feel attacked. I knew when I wrote the review that people would have questions. I feel I have answered them fairly and I don't feel like anyone has attacked me, nor do I feel that I have agitated anyone.
Review: Poorboys Super Slick N Suds
- Thread starter TDMAN
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JaredPointer
COME AT ME BRO
Although I think TDMAN could have been a little more informative about his procedure, it is nice to see someone point out the "not so great aspects" of products. Reviews (raves) about products are plentiful, but it's hard to find ones that point out things that people dislike about them. While I don't want to get on a product-bashing bandwagon, it's good to see people who post their negative experiences with products. Not only might it help someone not make an unwanted purchase, but if all the reviews of a product tout how great the product is without any downsides, it kinda makes you wonder. I have been burned by the "hype" before, so I think pointing out the dislikes is a good idea, especially if that person has the same technique as me.
Flame suit is now on.... :flameon
Flame suit is now on.... :flameon
mtodde
Silver Car Fan
If you still have the SSS I'd be happy to trade some SSR 2 or SSR 2.5 for it. PM me if you are interested.
Bob
New member
mtodde said:
He already gave it away he said.
G35stilez
Ari Gold
I find a few things wrong with your "review".
In the initial post you don't state any of the following: how much water was used, how much product was used, how many bucket routine, which types of washing tools you are using, what the condition of the paint is (sealant/wax life left), a descriptive verse of how soiled the surface is, what type of hose settings you used, what type of general routine you washed with (2 bucket, top to bottom, panel to panel).
The biggest problem I have though is your close minded-ness. You try it twice and then you write it off as garbage. You don't try to consult the forums (that's what they're here for) for help at all. In no way am I representing ANYONE when I say this, just purely for my sanity. I found PB SS&S to be the best general wash (not gloss enhanced) I've used to date. It's hard to comprehend someone with such far away findings.
In the initial post you don't state any of the following: how much water was used, how much product was used, how many bucket routine, which types of washing tools you are using, what the condition of the paint is (sealant/wax life left), a descriptive verse of how soiled the surface is, what type of hose settings you used, what type of general routine you washed with (2 bucket, top to bottom, panel to panel).
The biggest problem I have though is your close minded-ness. You try it twice and then you write it off as garbage. You don't try to consult the forums (that's what they're here for) for help at all. In no way am I representing ANYONE when I say this, just purely for my sanity. I found PB SS&S to be the best general wash (not gloss enhanced) I've used to date. It's hard to comprehend someone with such far away findings.
raymond_ho2002
New member
TDMAN said:
Wow, that's a lot of soap.. 1/4 of a 16oz bottle! I can see why you're disappointed; i put in a lot less than that of meg's gold class and i get a lot of suds. I've never used TOL's soap so it's hard for me to get an idea of what it compares to.. Have you used other soaps like meg's gold class or eagle one?
Good for you. I am truly happy for you. I actually have answered most of your questions throughout the thread in various responses. You sound a little upset. Like I said, I can agree to disagree. It is people like you who try to control others that are really pathetic. You sir, are the one that sounds a little closeminded. I stand by my review. Oh, BTW, the paint is in great condition, the cars varied from slightly dusty to very dirty. I use the standard 2 bucket method and wash from the top down using a boars hais brush on a 5' handle. I'm surprised that you of all people would be so negative. Grow up. Keep looking for negative things and things that are wrong with other people. It will take far in life.GSRstilez said:
I believe that is says use 1 oz. per gallon of water. I have a 3gallon bucket. I have used Meg's Deep Crystal and I thought that it worked fairly well. I will also get some Meg's Nxt wash. I have heard good things about that as well. Thanks for the recommendations. I will certainly give them a whirl down the road.raymond_ho2002 said:
G35stilez
Ari Gold
TDMAN said:
I, am just trying to get the facts.
A couple months back Dwayne posted up a nice guideline to writing up reviews. It gives the viewer a much better view of how it was used compared to the users feelings. Most here have picked it up and ran with it and I think I can speak for many (based on the responses those reviews have gotten) that it creates a very objective feeling to the review, rather than raving/bashing it.
Mark Waldron
Professional Detailer
I thought TDMAN's review was right on the money. Everyone has "their" personal opinions on what works "best" and what doesn't. I would suggest to leave the guy alone and let him state what he observed during his testing without continued badgering. We all know that we could put 20 people in a room, test something, and get different opinions on the outcome. That's why we have so many choices on what we can use for detailing. One mans gold is another mans garbage. I'm not trying to take sides, but am only making my personal observation of how this thread has evolved.
tubafeak
Weight is the enemy.
I tend to mix my car washes a little under the recommended dilution. This way I don't waste wash and it rinses cleaner. I will usually do two passes so that I can be absolutely sure of a clean car. I always agitate with the jet spray, it seems to be much more violent than stirring. Violent=Suds.
Craigster
New member
Opinions do vary...
As does mineral content in water and dirt contents and how its attached to a car. Anyone who has ever tried removing bird bombs, tree sap, road salt etc knows this. If you take a shower using the same bar of soap or shampoo in FL, then in NY, your skin will feel different so will your hair. I think the biggest hurtle a car wash has to deal with are these things, the application device, and paint slickness. Removing dirt is a matter of decreasing it's surface tension, and soap bubbles have nothing to do with that. One if the best dirt removers is WD-40, and that has no bubbles at all (not that I'd wash my car with it...but man talk about slickness... :crazy )
But if someone wants to see bubbles or a certain level of lubricity, then they can try other products until they are happy. That's why we are all here, trying, learning passsing along what we find. I'm sure we will all have different things work well for us, and our ultimately have our favorites.
I think what is really happening here is that the wording of the initial review sounds negative or bashing at the end rather than trying to be helpful or informative, which is what we are used to here at Detail City. Things then escalated from there. I see it happen all the time in work e-mails. Things sound different when you hear them. When you read them, you don't always get the message across that you mean. Some of you with more experience know to give things more than one chance, others give up and move on. (Remember my first experience with 4* Wash???)
Maybe there was a bad bottle, maybe it was used incorrectly, or maybe TDMAN just didnt like it. I think the product sponsors here would fully appreciate objective criticism- after all they want to make products better so you will continue to use them. I'm certain that Steve would have even swapped for a new bottle if asked to be sure. That's why some are more loyal and seem protective of the product sponsors, they have proven time and time again they are here to help. Some of our favorite products started out as an e-mail from a user with a suggestion or opinion. You'll get further with a kind word than a negative one in life. In fact, I think he could have gotten a sample of whatever he wanted to try from someone here - that is what the typical Detail City member is - helpful. Instead a few strongly worded sentences throughout the thread turned into anger for some that defintely didnt deserve it. I think we should just let it go.
How many products do each of us use that we learned about here on the boards? Pick any one of them and I guarantee you can find at least one other person who disagrees with you. As long as we live in the Great US of A, we are welcome to try anything, say what we feel, and pursue our happiness. But, if you give the people here a chance, talk to them with the respect you wish to receive in return, you may find the process much more rewarding.
As does mineral content in water and dirt contents and how its attached to a car. Anyone who has ever tried removing bird bombs, tree sap, road salt etc knows this. If you take a shower using the same bar of soap or shampoo in FL, then in NY, your skin will feel different so will your hair. I think the biggest hurtle a car wash has to deal with are these things, the application device, and paint slickness. Removing dirt is a matter of decreasing it's surface tension, and soap bubbles have nothing to do with that. One if the best dirt removers is WD-40, and that has no bubbles at all (not that I'd wash my car with it...but man talk about slickness... :crazy )
But if someone wants to see bubbles or a certain level of lubricity, then they can try other products until they are happy. That's why we are all here, trying, learning passsing along what we find. I'm sure we will all have different things work well for us, and our ultimately have our favorites.
I think what is really happening here is that the wording of the initial review sounds negative or bashing at the end rather than trying to be helpful or informative, which is what we are used to here at Detail City. Things then escalated from there. I see it happen all the time in work e-mails. Things sound different when you hear them. When you read them, you don't always get the message across that you mean. Some of you with more experience know to give things more than one chance, others give up and move on. (Remember my first experience with 4* Wash???)
Maybe there was a bad bottle, maybe it was used incorrectly, or maybe TDMAN just didnt like it. I think the product sponsors here would fully appreciate objective criticism- after all they want to make products better so you will continue to use them. I'm certain that Steve would have even swapped for a new bottle if asked to be sure. That's why some are more loyal and seem protective of the product sponsors, they have proven time and time again they are here to help. Some of our favorite products started out as an e-mail from a user with a suggestion or opinion. You'll get further with a kind word than a negative one in life. In fact, I think he could have gotten a sample of whatever he wanted to try from someone here - that is what the typical Detail City member is - helpful. Instead a few strongly worded sentences throughout the thread turned into anger for some that defintely didnt deserve it. I think we should just let it go.
How many products do each of us use that we learned about here on the boards? Pick any one of them and I guarantee you can find at least one other person who disagrees with you. As long as we live in the Great US of A, we are welcome to try anything, say what we feel, and pursue our happiness. But, if you give the people here a chance, talk to them with the respect you wish to receive in return, you may find the process much more rewarding.
Craigster said:
I agree with the above statement. We all know that soft-water works better for washing cars. It helps produce more of a spot free finish. Softwater also makes car wash soaps work better. I have both cold hard and cold soft piped to hose bibbs on the exterior of my house. I can take the same soap and run it with cold hard and get some foaming, if I use the same soap and soft water it will explode. I am not a chemist and I don't know what the difference in soaps are, but I have seen some listed for use with hard water (I think it was a Meg's brand). I don't know what the quality of the water is that TDMAN is using, but maybe TOL soap has something in it to make it work better with a less quality of water :dunno . That could explain alot of this.
Either way I thank him for the review. It will make me think about the product before I buy it and where I might be using it.
Corey S.
New member
You are using the product at an incorrect dilution. It was not formulated for a third of recommended soap to one gallon of water.
Using a third of the 1 ounce to 1 gallon solution and adding three times more water will give you this incorrect dilution. And since the sudsing agents are usually less dense than the water you are putting it in, you have used all of that up and thus no suds.
1 ounce to one gallon
3 ounces to 3 gallons
NOT
1/3 ounce to one gallon
1 ounce to 3 gallons
Here is a spreadsheet I did.
It's safe to say that we can rule out your water quality since it suds up when used per directions. We can rule out that it's your paint because this is a detailing forum and I'd like to believe everybody has good paint (and if you knew you didn't you probably wouldn't be complaining about the product). So, I'm going to put my money on this error.
Using a third of the 1 ounce to 1 gallon solution and adding three times more water will give you this incorrect dilution. And since the sudsing agents are usually less dense than the water you are putting it in, you have used all of that up and thus no suds.
1 ounce to one gallon
3 ounces to 3 gallons
NOT
1/3 ounce to one gallon
1 ounce to 3 gallons
Here is a spreadsheet I did.
It's safe to say that we can rule out your water quality since it suds up when used per directions. We can rule out that it's your paint because this is a detailing forum and I'd like to believe everybody has good paint (and if you knew you didn't you probably wouldn't be complaining about the product). So, I'm going to put my money on this error.
I do believe it was probably mixed incorrectly, however water quality does play a big factor in how well soaps work. I have seen water quality so poor that a soap won't suds up period, it doesn't matter how much soap you put in. I have seen water hardness in excess of 27 grains, with high TDS and high soluble iron. Try mixing soap in that stuff and see how well it works.
Corey S.
New member
OI812 said:
But he said that it suds up just fine the first time. And if this wasn't the case he wouldn't be complaining about it in comparison to other soaps (I don't know what soap does what he wants it to do but it must be one helluva product).
I believe he said TOL soap suds up time after time of adding water with out soap. That was in the original post. Thats why I brought up the water quality issue. Any way he is allowed his opinion, the same as the rest of us. Thats why I like DC, because we can all agree to diagree.
Corey S.
New member
Maybe TOL is very concentrated?