Removing Tree Sap....Need Help Asap.

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My black car is covered in lil dots of pine sap. What is the best and safest way to remove this?



Please let me know....
 
If the sap hasn't hardened, you should be able to wash it off. If it has hardened, you will need to use a solvent such as Prep sol or mineral spirits or isopropyl alcohol on a microfiber to remove them. You will have to rewax, as both substances will strip the wax.
 
I use 91% alcohol, bought at Walmart. Put it on a MF, soak the sap a bit with it, and wipe off. Works every time. You'll need to re-apply LSP in that spot.
 
Gasoline also works great, no need to soak it'll take the most hardened on sap and tar off in a wipe or two. Rewax when done but if it dried most likely you'll need to polish the paint.
 
Heatgain said:
I use 91% alcohol, bought at Walmart. Put it on a MF, soak the sap a bit with it, and wipe off. Works every time. You'll need to re-apply LSP in that spot.
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This actually works very well. Stoner Tarminator is also a great product to soften and remove tree sap.
 
Another vote for the alcohol. I had some stubborn pine sap that tar remover wasn't doing too much for and the IPA (Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol 91%) took it right off:



Isopropyl Alcohol 91% | Walgreens | Walgreens



It's a good idea to have some IPA around for odd jobs anyway..... I use it all the time to clean stuff off. You can get this at almost any drug store, supermarket, etc., sometimes the 91% is a bit harder to find than the 70%, but both should work OK.
 
Tree sap is a cellulose derivative. Best results are obtained by first soaking the sap with a surfactant with a neutral ph. Rinse with water and check for residue. If step 2 is necessary use a slightly acidic solution of one part vinegar to 30 parts water. Rinse and check for any remaining residue. If anything remains step it up to one part vinegar to 20 parts water. Be sure to rinse completely after each step.
 
Tree sap is not a cellulose derivative, it is a mix of water, sugars, minerals and other nutrients. So it is cellulose, a polysacharride, that is technically a derivative of the nutrients in tree sap, after plant cells convert it to cellulose. Not the other way around.



Plant sap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I'm all for science but I try to make it accessible to everyone by relating it directly to what is posted. I'm calling some knowledge BS here (and on a lot of your previous posts, many of which contained lots of obscure technical terms but not of much help). In this case especially vinegar. It won't dissolve the tough sticky stuff all that well, and you may as well go 50/50 vinegar/water since people do that for mineral stains to begin with. And in the immortal words of Dave Chappelle, "Gotcha B*tch!"
 
qwertydude said:
Tree sap is not a cellulose derivative, it is a mix of water, sugars, minerals and other nutrients. So it is cellulose, a polysacharride, that is technically a derivative of the nutrients in tree sap, after plant cells convert it to cellulose. Not the other way around.



Plant sap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I'm all for science but I try to make it accessible to everyone by relating it directly to what is posted. I'm calling some knowledge BS here (and on a lot of your previous posts, many of which contained lots of obscure technical terms but not of much help). In this case especially vinegar. It won't dissolve the tough sticky stuff all that well, and you may as well go 50/50 vinegar/water since people do that for mineral stains to begin with. And in the immortal words of Dave Chappelle, "Gotcha B*tch!"
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Sorry, but you are incorrect. My response may seem obscure and abstract to those with a lack of understanding, but the information is correct. Your response on the other hand is misguided and is clearly BS. The practical application of chemistry most effectively begins with a fundamental understanding of chemistry.
 
Umm... Where did you get your knowledge from Edwards? I was a nuclear tech in the navy and had to learn "the basics" of chemistry all the way up to nuclear chemistry. Even went into biochem a little as now I'm in college studying engineering.



There is no way a plant can derive sap from cellulose. Plants cannot break down cellulose once they create it. It is not an energy store. The molecule chain of cellulose is created from glucose which is a simple sugar. Basically it goes water+CO2+sunlight=sugar ==} sugar+sugar+sugar...=cellulose (structure) or starch (energy store). Starch can be broken back down to sugar, not cellulose. In fact it takes a lot of energy to break down cellulose into sugar. It's why grass to ethanol is unfeasable at the moment. It takes far too much energy and we're better off burning it to create electriciy than convert it to ethanol. In fact burning it for energy is more carbon neutral than this stupid president's idea to fund turning grass to ethanol. But that's another rant suitable for the hot tub.



Back on topic, Edwards read up



Cellulose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This just barely touches on the basics of bio-chem. Of which I only needed to learn a small amount needed for my engineering specialty. But please stop posting useless knowledge, that's so obscure and useless on this site. There are no washes here that are rated by surface tension, refractive indexes aren't listed on polishes and would have a negligible effect on even microscopic optics, boar jelly does not seem to exist, 100% cotton beech towels will mar paint (your spelling not mine), and turtle wacs does not leave a hard shell hard like diamonds. I'm taking these directly from your posts. I'm all for saving the environment and that that starts with a simple one, don't litter. So don't litter this forum with pointless rants trying to demonstrate knowledge you have not yet mastered.



Anyone else agree?
 
I hear ya :brit it's a favorite for me. Except with gas always getting more expensive pretty soon I'd be better off rubbing sap off with caviar :lol
 
Edwards944 said:
Sorry, but you are incorrect. My response may seem obscure and abstract to those with a lack of understanding, but the information is correct. Your response on the other hand is misguided and is clearly BS. The practical application of chemistry most effectively begins with a fundamental understanding of chemistry.
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As the man has so succinctly said...".....dude, your dash is purple." :LOLOL
 
qwertydude said:
Umm... Where did you get your knowledge from Edwards? I was a nuclear tech in the navy and had to learn "the basics" of chemistry all the way up to nuclear chemistry. Even went into biochem a little as now I'm in college studying engineering.



There is no way a plant can derive sap from cellulose. Plants cannot break down cellulose once they create it. It is not an energy store. The molecule chain of cellulose is created from glucose which is a simple sugar. Basically it goes water+CO2+sunlight=sugar ==} sugar+sugar+sugar...=cellulose (structure) or starch (energy store). Starch can be broken back down to sugar, not cellulose. In fact it takes a lot of energy to break down cellulose into sugar. It's why grass to ethanol is unfeasable at the moment. It takes far too much energy and we're better off burning it to create electriciy than convert it to ethanol. In fact burning it for energy is more carbon neutral than this stupid president's idea to fund turning grass to ethanol. But that's another rant suitable for the hot tub.



Back on topic, Edwards read up



Cellulose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This just barely touches on the basics of bio-chem. Of which I only needed to learn a small amount needed for my engineering specialty. But please stop posting useless knowledge, that's so obscure and useless on this site. There are no washes here that are rated by surface tension, refractive indexes aren't listed on polishes and would have a negligible effect on even microscopic optics, boar jelly does not seem to exist, 100% cotton beech towels will mar paint (your spelling not mine), and turtle wacs does not leave a hard shell hard like diamonds. I'm taking these directly from your posts. I'm all for saving the environment and that that starts with a simple one, don't litter. So don't litter this forum with pointless rants trying to demonstrate knowledge you have not yet mastered.



Anyone else agree?
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Please check your grammar, Dude.
 
qwertydude said:
Umm... Where did you get your knowledge from Edwards? I was a nuclear tech in the navy and had to learn "the basics" of chemistry all the way up to nuclear chemistry. Even went into biochem a little as now I'm in college studying engineering.



There is no way a plant can derive sap from cellulose. Plants cannot break down cellulose once they create it. It is not an energy store. The molecule chain of cellulose is created from glucose which is a simple sugar. Basically it goes water+CO2+sunlight=sugar ==} sugar+sugar+sugar...=cellulose (structure) or starch (energy store). Starch can be broken back down to sugar, not cellulose. In fact it takes a lot of energy to break down cellulose into sugar. It's why grass to ethanol is unfeasable at the moment. It takes far too much energy and we're better off burning it to create electriciy than convert it to ethanol. In fact burning it for energy is more carbon neutral than this stupid president's idea to fund turning grass to ethanol. But that's another rant suitable for the hot tub.



Back on topic, Edwards read up



Cellulose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This just barely touches on the basics of bio-chem. Of which I only needed to learn a small amount needed for my engineering specialty. But please stop posting useless knowledge, that's so obscure and useless on this site. There are no washes here that are rated by surface tension, refractive indexes aren't listed on polishes and would have a negligible effect on even microscopic optics, boar jelly does not seem to exist, 100% cotton beech towels will mar paint (your spelling not mine), and turtle wacs does not leave a hard shell hard like diamonds. I'm taking these directly from your posts. I'm all for saving the environment and that that starts with a simple one, don't litter. So don't litter this forum with pointless rants trying to demonstrate knowledge you have not yet mastered.



Anyone else agree?
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I'm very impressed with your credentials and your resume, Queerky Dude. Tell me, do you ride one of those short buses to school?
 
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