Removing Swirls With Menzerna

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Hollywood*

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Hey everyone, new to Autopia, but not new to forums. Tried searching, but couldn't find anything specific regarding Menzerna products for swirl removal. I have an '08 black STI that has some light swirls in the paint. Looking to get these out and I was leaning towards using Menzerna products as I heard good things. I have a PC7424 but have not used it yet. Can anyone recommend what products by Menzerna I would need for this? I was looking at:



Intensive Polish PO91E

Micro Polish PO87MC (aka Final Polish II)

Sealer Wax (not sure which)



Do you think something more abrasive like Powergloss POS34A is needed prior to PO91E? Or is that too much?



I would obviously be washing the car first, then clay bar, followed by Klasse, then the Menzerna swirl treatment that I'm looking to purchase. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
hey hollywood. These are the only polishes you would need for a vast majority of cars out there.

Start with SIP(po83). Then follow it up with Power Finish(po203). Afterward you can either use Super Finish(po106fa) or a jeweling polish PO85RD. For sealant, I love to use Black Fire Wet Diamond.
 
And those products should get the swirls out and not just mask them, right? I just don't want them to show back up again in a couple months, once the wax begins to come off.
 
After reading more on autogeek.net, I think this is what I may go with:



  • Super Intensive Polish PO83Q w/LC Orange Power Pad
  • Power Finish PO203 w/LC White Polish Pad
  • Super Finish PO106FA w/LC Black Finessing Pad



And would Sealing Wax APO 60 be a good sealer?



Also, would doing 2 coats of each yield better results? Such as doing 2 coats of PO83Q, then doing 2 of PO203, etc...
 
Just a future tip: For the best search results imaginable, go to google and type in the following:

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That way you can use quotes to search for phrases and minus symbols (-) to remove certain results. Like the following:

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Anyway, I'm in a very similar boat with a medium blue metallic Pontiac G8. Marring (with some somewhat deep swirls) on otherwise-clean paint, and I have a 7424 I haven't yet used. I have the following products:



Sonus Paintwork Cleanser

Sonus SFX-1 Restore Polish

Sonus SFX-2 Enhance Swirl Remover



I have several Lake Country orange pads, a couple of white pads, and a couple of black pads.



Whatever technique is recommended for Hollywood will likely be what I use since I think we have similar needs.
 
I have used menz and LC pads for swirl removal with my 3401. The only thing I might do differently would be to use 203 with an orange, rather than white pad and the 106 with white.



I find this link useful for the which combo decisions. And always according to theory test spot to factor in behaviour on a specific paint.



http://properautocare.com/mepovicochli.html



Good luck.





Αχ αυτό το κλικ!!!
 
Any reason why you want to stick to Menzerna? Out of all my polishes I own, I love Menzerna but I can't deny that Meguiars has awesome polishes too.



For light swirls Power Finish should be a great 1 step. Assuming its a daily driver, perfect paint is nearly impossible to maintain. This along with a nice sealant or wax of choice should really make the paint stand out.
 
Use 70% or 90% alcohol and dilute them to 10-30% levels mixed with water. spray it on every panel after each polishing step to remove oils to show the true condition of the pain.
 
OK, so my order should come tomorrow. I ended up going with PO83Q, PO203, and PO106FA. My plan this weekend is as follows:



Wash

Clay Bar

Wash

PO83Q w/Orange LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

PO203 w/White LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

PO106FA w/Gray LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

Klasse AIO

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0

P21S Carnuba



My first question is how does this look? Klasse then Wolfgang overkill?



Also, I read on another thread here of someone having to do 5 IPA wipedowns after the 203 to remove all the fillers. Has anyone else experienced this? I obviously want to make sure I get all the swirls removed as I do not want them coming back, but 5 wipedowns seems like a lot. Won't I be seeing some hazing/micro scratching from the polishing step I just did anyways? So how can you tell if all the scratches were removed by the polish? And then after I IPA after the 106, I shouldn't see any scratches even from the pad/polish if done correctly?



Sorry for all the questions, but like I said, I want to make sure I do this correctly and this will be my first time polishing a car. I've always just washed, clay barred, Klasse AIO, then Carnuba. So this is a new step for me, but I'm hopeful for some great results.



Thanks in advance. All input is appreciated.
 
Hollywood* said:
OK, so my order should come tomorrow. I ended up going with PO83Q, PO203, and PO106FA. My plan this weekend is as follows:



Wash

Clay Bar

Wash

PO83Q w/Orange LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

PO203 w/White LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

PO106FA w/Gray LC CCS Pad

IPA Wipedown

Klasse AIO

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0

P21S Carnuba



My first question is how does this look? Klasse then Wolfgang overkill?
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No, but topping the Wolfgang with P21S wax might be. FWIW, I don't top my sealants as I like to add more from time to time and you can't do that after applying a wax.



FWIW, KAIO by itself doesn't last long at all. I almost consider it simply a paintcleaner.

Also, I read on another thread here of someone having to do 5 IPA wipedowns after the 203 to remove all the fillers. Has anyone else experienced this? I obviously want to make sure I get all the swirls removed as I do not want them coming back, but 5 wipedowns seems like a lot.
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The oils from some products are incredibly hard to get off! I prefer TOL's PrepWash over IPA, but yeah...multiple IPA wipes might be required.
Won't I be seeing some hazing/micro scratching from the polishing step I just did anyways?
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Maybe from the most aggressive step, but after the 106 (or even the 203) it oughta be free of micromarring.

So how can you tell if all the scratches were removed by the polish? And then after I IPA after the 106, I shouldn't see any scratches even from the pad/polish if done correctly?
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If you don't get all the oils off, using the KAIO might uncover some issues as the KAIO will clean the paint.

Sorry for all the questions, but like I said, I want to make sure I do this correctly and this will be my first time polishing a car. I've always just washed, clay barred, Klasse AIO, then Carnuba. So this is a new step for me, but I'm hopeful for some great results.
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Concnetrate on the more aggressive polishing steps. Don't switch to the 106 until things are basically perfect.
 
Thanks for the help and tips Accum. How will I be able to tell if all the oils are removed after polishing? Water won't bead up on the paint?



And as far as adding more sealant down the road if I don't top it with wax, all I'd have to do is wash the vehicle, then reapply the sealant?
 
Hollywood* said:
Thanks for the help and tips Accum. How will I be able to tell if all the oils are removed after polishing? Water won't bead up on the paint?
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You can't really go by beading; clean but freshly polished finishes can sometimes bead just like wax. When IPAing, you'll see a rainbow effect from the oils, when you get 'em off you won't see that any more. And the surface will be squeaky clean, but that can be risky to go by too as sometimes it feels that way even when the oils aren't all gone.



FWIW, I wouldn't worry too much about this. Don't drive yourself nuts, just polish until things look good (or you get tired of doing it) then IPA and see how it looks afterwards.

And as far as adding more sealant down the road if I don't top it with wax, all I'd have to do is wash the vehicle, then reapply the sealant?
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Yep, that's what I do. I don't always even bother to clay first, although that's a good idea ("do as I say, not as I do" etc. etc. ;) ).
 
After you get through with SIP; just IPA a section if you want just see how it looks the do a complete wipedown after you are done polishing period then you are ready for LSP product.
 
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