Removing swirls instad of hiding.

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mbjkiller

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Which product out there is good for removing swirls and micro marring? I used 3M Swirl Mark Remover for Dark Cars and it just hide them. After couple washes, the swirls and micromarring is back. Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
Wow...if there's one subject that can easily be covered by searching, this is it.



There are so many different polishes that are discussed here, I couldn't even begin to list all of them that fit your criteria.



I use the Poorboy's SSR polishes.
 
I use SFX-2, great for minor swirls. Had a bad experience with Poorboys SSR2.5 and a cutting pad, so i'm not going to go there for a long time.
 
I usually use the old, discontinued 3M PI-III stuff, RC and MG (05933 & 05937). Followed by the also-discontinued 1Z Pro MP. If I ever run out of this stuff I'll have to get with the times, but that's gonna take a while ;)
 
Suasexed said:
I use SFX-2, great for minor swirls. Had a bad experience with Poorboys SSR2.5 and a cutting pad, so i'm not going to go there for a long time.
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Care to share the experience. I have yet to use mine but would like to know what to avoid when I do go to use it..



Thanks.
 
RogueM3 said:
Care to share the experience. I have yet to use mine but would like to know what to avoid when I do go to use it..



Thanks.
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It was probably me just being really dim, though i didn't see any caution about doing this anywhere... but i used a cutting pad with SSR 2.5 near to an edge and it took the paint off straight down to the primer... :think: :wall
 
Suasexed said:
It was probably me just being really dim, though i didn't see any caution about doing this anywhere... but i used a cutting pad with SSR 2.5 near to an edge and it took the paint off straight down to the primer... :think: :wall
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What are you using a rotary or PC? I'm not sure that is possible with a PC as I do that all the time with a lot more agressive polish and never had a problem. Now with a rotary you can do that with a polishing pad and ssr 1.
 
once you choose a polish, you can make sure that the swirls are gone (i.e. won't "reappear") by wiping the area you polished with a 50/50 mix of water and alcohol.



I , personally like the menzerna polishes for two reasons. After polishing, what you see is what you get. There are no fillers in the menzerna line of polishes that "mask" the swirls. They also seem to polish the surface to a clearer finish, @ least when using the PC.



I've used Poorboy's ssr's and have good luck with those too.
 
Be aware that polishes with fillers are useful at certain times. Particularly when somebody would like the swirls reduced/removed, but you know that they're just going to take it through the Brush-O-Matic again next week and reintroduce more swirls. So you use a polish with fillers to hide some of the swirls, which takes far less time and effort compared to an aggressive, non-filling polish.
 
Personally, on MY CAR, I really dislike having gone through the routine of polishing, only to uncover swirls / marks the very next time that I wash the car.



I have to say that I , personally , am in favor of getting rid of the swirls, and mainting the car as best I can, in order to avoid more swirling in the future.
 
Having both cars where I cannot remove the marring (due to thin original paint) and vehicles where I insist or removing it, I look at this topic from both sides of the fence.



If you seal the "fillers" in with a long lasting wax (Collinite, #16, Blitz), and reapply the wax sorta frequently, you can get away with hiding them pretty well. They won't come back at every wash, that's for sure.



And yeah, you really can do damage with a PC. A well-regarded Autopian cut through the clear on a 190 Benz at an Autopia g-t-g and I've gone through single stage down to primer. All depends on the paint, the products, the pads, etc. etc. and FWIW, remember that I'm the guy who claims he *cannot* do correction on his Audis via PC because it's too mild.
 
agreed accumulator...as for every wash taking enough fillers away, I admit to exaggeration... but I just don't know which wash...will reveal the wretched swirls.



I do believe, especially on brand spankin new paint, that the PC can cause problems that didn't previously exist. The PC is totally user friendly IMHO, but most certainly can cause problems for its user if either the products or common sense isn't properly used.
 
DSVWGLI said:
What are you using a rotary or PC? I'm not sure that is possible with a PC as I do that all the time with a lot more agressive polish and never had a problem. Now with a rotary you can do that with a polishing pad and ssr 1.
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I was using a PC. First time i'd ever used it... I was polishing away, (i have a clear coted red) and suddenly i saw all this pink dust flying everywhere... I looked at my pad and it was covered in red paint. Looked at the paint and it had gone! :eek: All the way down to the primer!! I was gutted :mad:
 
Suasexed said:
I was using a PC. First time i'd ever used it... I was polishing away, (i have a clear coted red) ... Looked at the paint and it had gone! :eek: All the way down to the primer!!
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That's a pretty rare occurance to say the least. Sounds like the paint was thinned before you ever worked on it. Normal, suited-to-a-PC products and proper techniques are safe on any paint of normal thickness. But your experience just goes to show that you have to keep tabs on what's going on.



rfinkle2 said:
I do believe, especially on brand spankin new paint, that the PC can cause problems that didn't previously exist...[it] can cause problems for its user if either the products or common sense isn't properly used.
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Yeah, gotta do things right. But with the right pads/products and decent (even if imperfect) technique I wouldn't hestitate to let a newbie take a PC to their brand new black car. Not *really* all that different from doing things by hand and the same rules apply- things just happen a little faster.



I sometimes wonder if we overdo the "can't do damage" thing, giving people a false sense of what they're really working with. Just as I believe we often, incorrectly, make the PC sound like a miracle-worker.
 
Accumulator said:
That's a pretty rare occurance to say the least. Sounds like the paint was thinned before you ever worked on it. Normal, suited-to-a-PC products and proper techniques are safe on any paint of normal thickness. But your experience just goes to show that you have to keep tabs on what's going on.
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That's what i thought. It's was/is a fairly new car. I did it about 4 months after i purchased it new...so it's not like it was old paint which had already been polished to a max, but also it wasn't so new that abrasive polishes would completely strip the paint. But yeah, i felt just a little bit sick when i saw the panel; to say the least :sadpace:
 
SSR1, 2, & 3.



Got the Menzerna twins on order just to compare for myself, but I've really had some good results with SSR2 with an orange Griot's pad.



-Mike
 
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