removing LSP? Smearing

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BlkSilverado

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First I would like to say thank you to everyone on this site. This is my first post so be easy.



I have been using Nattys paste wax and have been removing them with PakShak MF's. The mf's remove the Nattys, but it seams to smear on the finish. It is like I can see where the MF was used to try and remove the wax.



Now my question is, could this be because the MF's are old, (I have had them about a year) or is there something else I am doing wrong?



I am applying to 2 sections at a time then going back to remove where I started from. I will try and get some pics posted.



Thanks again.
 
Two things it may be is that you are not applying a thin enough layer, or you are not giving then wax enough time to haze. The first problem can cause the second problem, if the layer is too thick, it will take longer for the wax to fully haze which will cause the wax to smear upon removal.
 
Salty: I have tried about 4 different MF's with the same result.



travis: I will try a thinner layer. It did seem to take while to haze even in the hot sun on black paint.



So if the top layer hazes and it is too thick, does this mean the layer under the haze is still wet causing the smearing?
 
If the wax gets applied too thickly it will still be slightly wet and will cause some smearing when being removed. I know Poorboy's products can be used in the sun, but sometimes wax can be finicky on a hot surface and you can get smears where the product dried unevenly.
 
Ok.



I am removing the wax, but you can see very fine lines where I used the MF to remove. It is not "smearing" i guess. It is almost like the MF isnt leaving a streak free finish.



The best I can describe it is when you final wipe your windows, how you get streaking from a dirty MF, is what it looks like on the paint. But if you wipe side to side, you see the lines from side to side. If you wipe up and down then the "streaking" moves up to down in the same pattern as the MF. Can you kind of understand what I am trying to say?
 
I don't use Nattys but i would try to do a small area and wipe without haze. Black paint in the sun will make most products a bear to work with.



OR



because the paint is too warm and the wax is melting.
 
Have you washed your MF and then dryed with a fabric softner and they don't absorb like they should?
 
salty: I guess that also makes sense. I will try in the shade but I dont have much access to shade. Garage is full of CRAP!!!!
 
If it continues to be a problem, S&W or final inspection from meg's do a good job of removing anything remaining after your product removal.
 
I used QuickShine to spit shine it, and it did remove the streaking but I thought that I could get the results without doing that. Thanks again.
 
Salty: Have never washed with fabric softner or dried with dryer sheets. They just dont seem to be removing the product completly.
 
It appears that your surface is saturated with the appearance oils from the wax. System over-load. Next time use less wax and after the initial buff allow vehicle to sit and allow these oils to evaporate (they are of no protective value - just appearance( mimicing wet and depth). Then do a final buff with another "clean" MF. For a vehicle of that size you will probably need at least 3-4 MF's to remove a wax completely (sealant 1-2 MF's).

Good luck.
 
Hi BlkSilverado...



I would not recommend applying Natty's or any other carnauba wax under direct sunlight. Try to see if it makes a difference if you apply Natty's under a shade. Work on one panel at a time. Buff off Natty's within 20 seconds. How are you applying Natty's? By hand or PC?



With Aloha,

Ranney :)
 
BlkSilverado said:
Ok.



I am removing the wax, but you can see very fine lines where I used the MF to remove. It is not "smearing" i guess. It is almost like the MF isnt leaving a streak free finish.



The best I can describe it is when you final wipe your windows, how you get streaking from a dirty MF, is what it looks like on the paint. But if you wipe side to side, you see the lines from side to side. If you wipe up and down then the "streaking" moves up to down in the same pattern as the MF. Can you kind of understand what I am trying to say?
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Salty [/i] [b] OR... because the paint is too warm and the wax is melting.[/b][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PakShak said:
Hi BlkSilverado...

I would not recommend applying Natty's or any other carnauba wax under direct sunlight. Try to see if it makes a difference if you apply Natty's under a shade.

With Aloha,

Ranney :)
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That is smearing, the product is being moved around the surface kind of like finger paint and is holding the texture of the MF.



I find that in sun or shade if the day is on the warm or hot side, nearly all of my LSPs will smear. The only one that acts a bit differently is the Collinite Insulator. You can see it smear initially, but over a few minutes (much faster than the others anyway) you can see the smears seem to slowly disappear just like if the ridges & lines were melting back to a smooth surface.
 
BlkSilverado said:
z28: Should I apply to the whole vehicle then go back and remove? Will this be enough time for the oils to evaporate?
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Hi BlkSilverado,

I have only used Natty's a couple of times. When I did, I applied it like P21S and Souveran. I would do one area at a time and applied thin coats. All these products are very oily and required IMO to be buffed with terry-type weaved MF's. As many have mention, never apply any LSP's to a hot surface, especially on a dark colored vehicles. Streak City. :shocked
 
You are applying Natty's too thick. Period.



I have some MFs that are 2-3 years old now and they still work fine. You should barely be able to see Natty's on the paint when you apply it.
 
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