Removing Klasse SG

Lightman said:
If you use too much or leave it on too long, it is definitely hard to remove..
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My experience has been different. While thick applications are a pain to remove, I've never had a problem from leaving it on a long time prior to buffing/removal. Even when I experimented with letting it sit for several days, if anything the longer I let it sit the easier it came off, even when I tried goofy-thick applications.



I do it primarily because it fits in with how I do the minivan (the only vehicle I'm using KSG on). I like to split the job up into small segments, and after applying the KSG it usually just seems like a good stopping point for me. The next morning I spend a few minutes buffing it off and I apply another layer. How long I let that one sit depends on my plans; I might take it off soon thereafter if I'm using the vehicle that day, or I might leave it overnight again if I'm doing other things.
 
I should add that I haven't had 'much' experience leaving the SG on...so maybe I should have split up my statements - but I did one time use a little to thick of a coat, and it definitely was a pain to remove. Upon tom p's recommendation based on his experience, I also added the comment about leaving it on too long having the same effect. I have always removed it just a few minutes after it was applied, and never had an issue. Now for curiousity's sake I will probably do a section and leave it on all night just to see how hard it is to remove. I think the one thing we've both found, as well as others, which is likely the original poster's issue (at least with removing SG) is that using too much makes it pretty tough to remove!
 
Lightman- Heh heh, I wouldn't have found out about how SG behaves when you leave it on had I not been in the mood to experiment, it started when I spent the whole day on the MPV and just didn't want to buff it off late that night. Luckily for me things turned out as they did, I would've hated to struggle with problems on the minivan! As I experimented, I was kinda nervous about leaving it for three days :o but it turned out fine. Same old same old though, thinner coats are always best. Try letting it sit some time and see how it works out for you (just don't try it on all panels of some huge black vehicle ;) just in case our experiences differ).



Yeah, the original poster is undoubtedly putting it on too thick and eveything is probably being exacerbated by the prep issues. If the surface isn't the way you want it, IMO you're not ready for the AIO, let alone the SG.



As best I can recall the only problems I've ever had with the Klasse twins were from using AIO with the Cyclo. Other than that I too find both products very easy to use, but I figure that's because I'm such a fanatic about putting SG on so thinly that I can barely see it. But I'm also not one to struggle with products that don't work out. If somebody repeatedly finds Klasse hard to use IMO they oughta just try something else. Life is short and hard enough. But I can't imagine it being so hard to use that they wouldn't benefit from using on their wheels :D
 
I could not believe how well AIO worked on my chrome wheels and ss exhaust tip. I had been using mothers chrome polish and metal polish (for the tip) previously, and was amazed at how much more easily the AIO took away oxidation and carbon/diesel soot compared to the previously mentioned products. It's really a great all around product.



Since the paint on my tdi is still feeling perfectly smooth and beading water, I think after my thorough wash this evening, it's still in good enough shape to do another coat of SG without AIO'ing it. I'm gonna leave a section on for a few hours or maybe even all night this time to see how it does for a little experiment. Funny how you described applying it so thinly -I apparently do the same thing - sometimes I can almost not see if I have enough to be fully covering the panel it's so thin.. I'm holding off on the truck until my new products show up friday and I can attempt to tackle the deep swirls that ssr2.5 wouldn't remove.
 
i find sg to start looking better after the second coat. right now, i have 2 coats of sg on my wifes metallic dark purple integra. the second coat definitely made the metallic pop. as many have suggested here, i find applying as thin as possible to be easier to remove than by putting it on thick. hopefully this weekend, i will put a 3rd and final coat on it to see if it makes any more improvements in my eyes. also on a side note, i have been doing a little experiment on the car with 2 other sealants. wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant and 4star upp have also been applied on the 2 other doors next to ksg. truthfully, i really can't tell a big difference if any between the 3. i dunno maybe it's just me, then again i asked a few friends and none of them could discern any difference at all. hopefully i can post pics of my findings once i figure out how to post pics.
 
I just don't get the whole Klasse is hard to use thing. Sure, if you use it wrong it is. Here's the key......wet a mf applicator down with water, squeeze out as much water as you can possibly do, so the pad is just damp, put a dime sized drop on the applicator and use it to do a whole panel or more of the car at a time. You'll get a very thin haze of SG put down.



Let it dry 'till it sorta feels chalky and buff it off. The dry time can vary from 15 minutes to a half hour.....high temps and humidity makes it longer. I certainly don't apply it at 90 degrees and 70% humidity, so your dry time may vary. Once you get the hang of it, it isn't hard and the durability is so worth it.
 
Super_Herb said:
I just don't get the whole Klasse is hard to use thing. Sure, if you use it wrong it is. Here's the key......wet a mf applicator down with water, squeeze out as much water as you can possibly do, so the pad is just damp, put a dime sized drop on the applicator and use it to do a whole panel or more of the car at a time. You'll get a very thin haze of SG put down.



Let it dry 'till it sorta feels chalky and buff it off. The dry time can vary from 15 minutes to a half hour.....high temps and humidity makes it longer. I certainly don't apply it at 90 degrees and 70% humidity, so your dry time may vary. Once you get the hang of it, it isn't hard and the durability is so worth it.
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Interesting observation on the heat and humidity. I live in Hawaii where it's low 80's to low 90's practially all year around and humidity is rarely below 70% and I've never had a problem with removing SG even in the 15 - 30 minute time frame. I typically wait at least an hour or so as I buff after applying to the whole vehicle, dress the tires and other things and then remove. I try apply very thin and spritz the applicator with Eagle One WW&S before the initial application and about every 4 panels or so. No problems at all.



Just curious as to why you believe that higher temps would lead to longer cure times. Isn't SG aerobic curing, meaning needing exposure to air to cure. Why would a higher temperature increase cure time assuming outdoor exposure? Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just curious as to your reasoning. Based on personal experience? I can see increased humidity increasing cure time, but I would think that increased temps would decrease cure time.
 
I agree with Super_Herb. I own probably the only detailed Land Rover Discovery in Canada and when I go wheeling with my Land Rover friends they call my truck a mall crawling garage queen because I use KSG on a regular basis using the wowo method and have never had any problems...it is easy....I don't understand the problems. :bounce
 
Well my little experiment is over...I left sg on all night long..It came off with no problems this morning, no different than in the past when I would leave it on 15-20 minutes.
 
drck1000 said:
Just curious as to why you believe that higher temps would lead to longer cure times. Isn't SG aerobic curing, meaning needing exposure to air to cure. Why would a higher temperature increase cure time assuming outdoor exposure?
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I guess what I meant was the combo of the high heat and humidity always seems to leave the SG more tough to remove than usual for me. When I do it on say a 75 degree day with low humidity, it just seems to be less sticky upon removal. Either way, it certainly dries enough for me to remove in the same timeframe of 15 minutes to a half hour of curing, just one way seems to come off a bit easier.....if that makes sense.



I never really exactly time the curing other than by the "one beer" method, so I'll have to keep track next time.......maybe the reason I let it cure longer on hot, sticky days is that I have two beers to cool off. :nixweiss
 
Super_Herb said:
I guess what I meant was the combo of the high heat and humidity always seems to leave the SG more tough to remove than usual for me. When I do it on say a 75 degree day with low humidity, it just seems to be less sticky upon removal. Either way, it certainly dries enough for me to remove in the same timeframe of 15 minutes to a half hour of curing, just one way seems to come off a bit easier.....if that makes sense.



I never really exactly time the curing other than by the "one beer" method, so I'll have to keep track next time.......maybe the reason I let it cure longer on hot, sticky days is that I have two beers to cool off. :nixweiss
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I see. I guess the weather isn't that variable here between seasons, so you'll find conditions in Feb about the same as November. So tough to gauge on differences here.



One beer method huh? Nice. Careful that two beer timing method doesn't turn into a 6 pack! :) haha.
 
Lightman said:
Well my little experiment is over...I left sg on all night long..It came off with no problems this morning, no different than in the past when I would leave it on 15-20 minutes.
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Nothing like trying something out yourself and gaining first-hand knowledge :xyxthumbs



Note that I do *not* do this long-wait thing when applying SG to black plastic trim. It seems to come out a little more uniform if I use the W-O-W-O method for that specific application.
 
Lightman- Heh heh, I get a little chuckle out of you and Tom P. both re-detailing your "new" cars, especially since you both took good care of them in the first place :D
 
I think our respective OCD tendencies got the best of us. I think we've both changed the oil already too, much before either car needed it, and both were filled with top quality synthetics ;) He's had his car re-chipped with a new software program and I've installed a new 2 micron fuel filter and oil bypass system on mine...it never ends! hehe



Today/tonight I did a 97 accord with 140k miles on it, that has NEVER been detailed. What a battle! I got a bunch of befores, but it got dark before I had a chance to take any after pics, which is a bummer. It was quite a transformation.
 
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