Recommend a Megs more agressive than M83 for Cyclo?

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carlsson

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Other than M105? I've given up on that, as most say its better suited to rotary. M83 and orange pads on my Cyclo is doing a decent job, but full correction it ain't. I'm fairly convinced the 83 won't do it. I've tried, oh I've tried, all pads, multiple applications. Frankly, if I have to work the machine that long and hard on a given section, and the results don't really improve, then I have to cut my losses, so to speak.



Can someone recommend a pro line polish several notches above 83 suited to the Cyclo?



I'll give the Cyclo one more run with a more aggressive product–if it does not fully correct my 07 F150 paint, I'll buy a Makita, and relegate the Cyclo to minor correction/polishing. I do like the Cyclo a lot, but if it ain't suited for the job, it just ain't. I could be totally missing something about the process, but I kinda don't think I'm missing it by that much.
 
carlsson- You don't happen to have a PC do you? If so, the 3.5" LC PFW pads work miracles with various products. Now if only they made 'em a *little* bigger for use on the Cyclo....
 
carlsson said:
No PC here, but what kind of a pad is the PFW?
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PFW=Purple Foamed Wool



how about Meg's 95

it should be close to the cut of 105

but a more traditional longer working polish
 
BigJimZ28 said:
PFW=Purple Foamed Wool



how about Meg's 95

it should be close to the cut of 105

but a more traditional longer working polish
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If M105 wasn't really doing anything with the cyclo, why would he have more success with M95, isn't it a weaker cut? (not saying it won't, just trying to understand the differences!)
 
If M105 wasn't really doing anything with the cyclo, why would he have more success with M95, isn't it a weaker cut? (not saying it won't, just trying to understand the differences!)
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Just so there's no misunderstanding, I never bought the 105 because many say it is more suited to the rotary, not DA type machines. So I was looking for an equivalent that was more Cyclo friendly.
 
M95 has about the same cut as M105 just longer working times.



I'd go with M95 and a 5.5" orange pad, if that doesn't do it then I'd still use M95 with a 3.5" PFW pad. Accumulator turned me on to those pads and I haven't looked back sinse!
 
3m 3000RC with a 4 inch Sonus yellow pad works well. M95 should work well too. I wouldn't go more agressive than that.
 
efnfast said:
If M105 wasn't really doing anything with the cyclo, why would he have more success with M95, isn't it a weaker cut? (not saying it won't, just trying to understand the differences!)
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no as I understand it it is about the same cut

it is just a more traditional compound with some working time

so it does not have the learning curve of 105





carlsson said:
Just so there's no misunderstanding, I never bought the 105 because many say it is more suited to the rotary, not DA type machines. So I was looking for an equivalent that was more Cyclo friendly.
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so you gave up on it BEFORE you tried it?

I have sayed it before and I will say it again 105 works well by hand

so it should work well by cyclo

(it is a hot product right now, so buy some and if you don't like it sell it as samples and make a few $:hifive:)
 
Just thinking out loud here, as I have zero experience with either M105 or M95....



The Cyclo tends to flash certain products *very* fast...that's why it simply doesn't work well with KAIO. I'd worry about that happening with the M105 too, so between the two, if I had to flip a coin I'd go with the M95.



A lot of "rotary only" products work OK via Cyclo, but eh...I'll let somebody else try it ;)



Heh heh, back before there were all the different types of 4" pads, some of us used to cut up larger pads for use on the Cyclos. Yeah, you gotta be careful about the velcro. Wonder if this'd be feasible with the 6" PFW pads :think: I'll let somebody else try that one too :D



But doesn't Cyclo have some new wool pads out these days? Maybe those'd work well with stuff like the M95 (or 1Z pasta intensiv).
 
Got my 105 - going to try it on my cyclo on my Z06 in the next day or two.



What do you guys think would be a good pad to start with - green or orange? Green/83 didn't really do anything on the corvette, needed orange/83, but 105 is more aggressive so i don't know :nervous2:
 
efnfast said:
Got my 105 - going to try it on my cyclo on my Z06 in the next day or two.



What do you guys think would be a good pad to start with - green or orange? Green/83 didn't really do anything on the corvette, needed orange/83, but 105 is more aggressive so i don't know :nervous2:
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I dunno if this'll help any, but with 1Z pasta intensiv I found that I needed orange pads to really do much. Sorta surprised me as the product seemed like it'd be plenty aggressive enough with just the green. If I were doing this, I'd use the orange and plan to do a follow up with the green and some milder product. Green pads seem to make everything behave pretty mildly via Cyclo IME.



I'm quite interested to hear how this works...watch out for that too-fast flashing! If my concerns are unfounded I might have to try M105 after all :think:
 
I tried both 95 and 105 with my cyclo and orange pads today.



From what I could see, it seemed like the 95 did a bit more correction than the 105, but that could just be my imagination. However, I did 2 passes with both the 105 and 95 and there were still some marks that they could not remove (can't feel marks w/ fingernail, so I think its just the cyclo doesn't have the power to take them out)....and I'm not about to try something like yellow/105!!!





In terms of flashing, I really didn't experience any of that. The 105 seemed to work in with just slightly less work time than the 95 or 83, but it's not like 1 pass and that's it. I was able to get several in, and it didn't haze up or flash or anything bad on me.



So I'm 99.9% certain it's cyclo safe, but I don't know the full abilities of 105/95 + cyclo since I'm really just a noob on it and playing around, not really able to get full correction power from it because of my skill level.
 
I tried both 95 and 105 with my cyclo and orange pads today.



From what I could see, it seemed like the 95 did a bit more correction than the 105, but that could just be my imagination. However, I did 2 passes with both the 105 and 95 and there were still some marks that they could not remove (can't feel marks w/ fingernail, so I think its just the cyclo doesn't have the power to take them out)....and I'm not about to try something like yellow/105!!!





In terms of flashing, I really didn't experience any of that. The 105 seemed to work in with just slightly less work time than the 95 or 83, but it's not like 1 pass and that's it. I was able to get several in, and it didn't haze up or flash or anything bad on me.



So I'm 99.9% certain it's cyclo safe, but I don't know the full abilities of 105/95 + cyclo since I'm really just a noob on it and playing around, not really able to get full correction power from it because of my skill level.
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This is good, and pretty funny. I tried the M95 with the Cyclo and orange pads just this Wednesday, and I could make the same exact remarks. What I thought right off, is that it removed a lot of the heavier swirling quite effortlessly, quickly, compared to M83, and I didn't put much pressure on the machine. This stuff feels straight up gritty at first too, the Cyclo seems to bog just a bit at first. Its not getting rid of the deeper defects, and it leaves some of its own "legacy", that is to say it certainly isn't LSP ready, IME. But I did not expect that either. I am encouraged by the product, but wonder ultimately whether the Cyclo can do serious correction, by that I mean close to or at 100% correction. Then again, I ain't no expert when it comes to detailing–I gotta long way to go (^_^)
 
carlsson & efnfast- Thanks for the intersesting reports! Sounds like the limitation might be the Cyclo instead of the products. Wonder how those products would work with the newer Cyclo wool pads :think:



All-in-all, it sounds like the M105 and M95 *via Cyclo* perform about the same way that 1Z pasta intensiv did (again, via Cyclo) for me. Although the pasta intensiv left a finish that *some* people might consider ready-to-wax (no significant artifacts).



This might not be bad time to repeat that I find the PC, *with 4" cutting pads or 3.5" PFW pads* to be considerably more aggressive than the Cyclo.



Carlsson- I wouldn't put *too* much weight on your lack of experience. With some of this stuff it either *works* (and right off the bat) or it doesn't, no matter who's holding onto the machine. You might find that you can apply more pressure, but that'd be about the only thing that experience will really alter in cases like this (well, IMO). And applying too much pressure with gritty products can lead to issues...namely deep "tracer" type scratches that can be a real PIA to remove.



efnfast- I think I *would* go ahead and try the yellow/M105, might be just the ticket. I never find the yellow pads all *that* aggressive via Cyclo, certainly not so aggressive as to be unsafe, and they might allow the M105 to work a whole lot better. Note that IME the yellow pads seem to wear kinda fast, losing a bit of cut after a while. With the Cyclo, IME using a too-mild pad can prevent an otherwise good product choice from performing to its full potential.
 
What did you follow orange/95 up with to remove any of its marks? Green/83?
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I didn't follow on yet–too busy with work work, and a wedding to go to tomorrow for a friend.



I want to try my new bottle of FPII as a follow up with green or white even, trying to skip a middle level step. Will it work is the question. I'd like to believe in a 2 step solution for most vehicles–whether its realistic or not, I have yet to see ;)
 
I was looking around the CycloToolmakers website, and I think their 4" wool pads might be just the ticket for use with aggressive products. I don't think they'd lend themselves to a two-step approach, but I do think they might be handy...I'm almost tempted to buy a few and a bottle of M105...*almost* ;)
 
Accumulator said:
I was looking around the CycloToolmakers website, and I think their 4" wool pads might be just the ticket for use with aggressive products. I don't think they'd lend themselves to a two-step approach, but I do think they might be handy...I'm almost tempted to buy a few and a bottle of M105...*almost* ;)
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I bought some SIP and am going to give that a try to see how it compares to the 95/105 - would rather play around with products rather than pads at my skill level :D
 
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