Recharge v Overcoat v VS1
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BudgetPlan1
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No wash, no nothing...hood kinda dirty, especially in middle/Overcoat section where it looked like someone was wiping something off, but what the heck. Rain created from Kwazar pump sprayer:
Recharge:
Overcoat:
VS1:
All:
CanCoat stripes continue in the lead...
Recharge:
Overcoat:
VS1:
All:
CanCoat stripes continue in the lead...
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BudgetPlan1
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Van hood very dirty, didn`t bother to clean before simulated `rain` from Kwazar pump sprayer:
HydroSilex Recharge:
Kamikaze Overcoat:
22ple VS1:
All:
General thoughts: All appear to be still beading well, HydroSilex Recharge seems to be diminished a bit on leading edge of hood. Sheeting when dirty, VS1 & Kamikaze about even, HydroSilex lagging just a bit. Cleaned hood with PB Super Slick and Suds, bucket and mitt. Sheeted some water over the sections, Kamikaze sheeted best, followed by 22ple VS1 and HydroSilex to twice as long to sheet same amount of water off. None sheeted completely cleanly, little bit of residual water on Kamikaze and 22ple, about 30% more water left on HydroSilex section after sheeting. As far as feel, Kamikaze is noticeably slicker than other 2, with 22ple in second and HydroSilex in third place. Oddly, while the Gyeon CanCoat only stripes still lead the pack in beading, sheeting and staying clean but have lost significant slickness compared to others. Almost like `lack of slickness speed bumps` when running a finger or towel over the washed, dry surface.
We got whacked with another round of intense slow, slush this week; hopefully things will start to differentiate themselves in a more clear (normal?) pattern once winter finally goes away and it`s just rain and sun as far as weather.
HydroSilex Recharge:
Kamikaze Overcoat:
22ple VS1:
All:
General thoughts: All appear to be still beading well, HydroSilex Recharge seems to be diminished a bit on leading edge of hood. Sheeting when dirty, VS1 & Kamikaze about even, HydroSilex lagging just a bit. Cleaned hood with PB Super Slick and Suds, bucket and mitt. Sheeted some water over the sections, Kamikaze sheeted best, followed by 22ple VS1 and HydroSilex to twice as long to sheet same amount of water off. None sheeted completely cleanly, little bit of residual water on Kamikaze and 22ple, about 30% more water left on HydroSilex section after sheeting. As far as feel, Kamikaze is noticeably slicker than other 2, with 22ple in second and HydroSilex in third place. Oddly, while the Gyeon CanCoat only stripes still lead the pack in beading, sheeting and staying clean but have lost significant slickness compared to others. Almost like `lack of slickness speed bumps` when running a finger or towel over the washed, dry surface.
We got whacked with another round of intense slow, slush this week; hopefully things will start to differentiate themselves in a more clear (normal?) pattern once winter finally goes away and it`s just rain and sun as far as weather.
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I was just about to PM you for an update! Great timing.
I am curious to know, because this is approx. a 2 month update, how long had the CanCoat been on the truck before you started the maintenance products` comparison. In other words, if the 3 maintenance products are at 2 months, what is the lifetime of the CanCoat?
I am curious to know, because this is approx. a 2 month update, how long had the CanCoat been on the truck before you started the maintenance products` comparison. In other words, if the 3 maintenance products are at 2 months, what is the lifetime of the CanCoat?
BudgetPlan1
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Hadda go back to the first post in this thread, kinda forgot what all is going on here:
Guessing the "Gyeon Prime/Gyeon CanCoat/IGL Premier" stripes were done mid-November 2017 (notes indicate 11/2017 application of that combo); I have been incorrectly referring to them as "CanCoat Stripes" although CanCoat is likely all that has been left exposed since the Recharge/OverCoat/VS1 application on 02/03/2018.
It`s all too confusing...red vans everywhere, some only with hoods done, some completely done, 2 not done at all...lunacy, I say, lunacy!
Supposed to get up into more seasonable weather next week, probably end of April when I`m pretty sure no more snow I`ll pull out a red Ford Ranger, compound/polish/prep the hood and roof, put down a base of McKees V2 and then split into sections of:
Gyeon Cure
Gtechniq C2V3
HydroSilex Recharge
Kamikaze Overcoat
22ple VS1 Final Coat
IGL Premier
Nanolex SiFinish
I think that`s all the toppers I have on the shelf. Figure 4 sections on hood, 3 on roof, horizontal tape dividing lines will be covering bare, non-coated paint, vertical tape dividing lines will be covering McKees V2 coating-only stripes.
BudgetPlan1
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Eeekkk...TAC Systems brings back bad memories of Moonlight. Have heard positive things about QMaxx though.
Think I might actually bump one of `em to get down to 6 and do 2 on roof, 4 on hood.
Getting a bit impatient waiting for Spring weather. AG got me with their 25% off/free shipping sale today...as did Autopia with their 15% Storewide Sale today.
*sigh*
Ronkh
Wax Waster
Thank you for moonlight........ THank you. You saved me.
I missed what happened when you used Moonlight. Would you tell the story again please
Quarts Max I also have heard great things about. A domestic detailer did a comparison tests with these kind of toppers and QM was the overall winner.
Dustin Cropsboy
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My bottle of PA Cosmic Spritz finally arrived. PM me your address and I will send it to you if you want to add it to the next round of competition. Tempted?
rlmccarty2000
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Too bad you can’t add Quartz Maxx and Reload as I think they are very similar. Quartzmaxx leaves significant gloss but I have no idea how long it lasts as I just spray it on kinda like a super quick detailer to amp up the shine. It mixes well with ECH20 just like Reload. Don’t knock Moonlight too badly. I used it on my wife’s car and it turned out well, no water spotting problems at all and her car sits outside 24/7. I torture test products out on her car.
BudgetPlan1
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Saw it was an oil-based, SiO2 product with greater SiO2 content than other similar products. Gave it a try as stand alone on a truck hood.I missed what happened when you used Moonlight. Would you tell the story again please
Water behavior was initially very promising so I gave it go as a topper on wife`s WG Uber coated car. Totally gooned the self cleaning aspects of the coating, could never get car back to nice self cleaning behavior it had before Moonlight, now it was getting water spots all the time.
Hadda polish coating/Moonlight off of car and re-coat it. Plus side was that after that I went minimalist on personal cars, no more Sio2 `stacking` with Bathe+, WetCoat, Overcoat and such. Sometimes less is more.
I think I`m good with the ones I got, thanks though. Limited amount of horizontal panels on potential test vehicles and all.
Cosmic is on my list to try on personal cars this season; have been assured it plays well wirh current coating on our cars and will not diminish self cleaning aspects.
Have heard Moonlight is stellar for others, just didn`t work well for me in 2 different usage scenarios. Who knows?
As mentioned, I`ve gone minimalist on the SiO2 stuff and it`s a proven path for me; comparing all these is just a curiosity driven excercise, whatever the results are will not alter my current routines.
I do sometimes wonder, given all the things I`ve tried, why Reload never made it to my shelf. Despite its popularity, it just never intrigued me enough to give it a go. Thought I remember reading that some folks had streaking issues, formulation changes at some point...can`t say for sure what reasons are but it just doesn`t generate any interest from me.
Just wanted to add I plan to do a Reload and Recharge comparison within the next few weeks. I`m in the Fire department and we have a few cars to train with next week so after we have our fun I plan to get a hood or any panel really and do a quick one step and split the hood. His will be my first test panel so any recommendations are welcomed. Here in Hawaii I just plan to test it against the sun for now. I figure this will benefit most of you since summer is on its way. I definitely want a naked panel so their are no character confusion with product behavior so I`m looking to wash,decon,clay,and just a quick 205 one step (depending how bad the panel is) ipa, then apply 1 coat each via dry application and leave the panel out in the elements 24/7, again any recommendations are welcomed but that`s the plan so far. Thanks for doing the other topper!
BudgetPlan1
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Looking forward to seeing how it goes for you, always interested to hear other experiences to see how they parallel/skew.
Funny how some things work/are enjoyed by some, but totally opposite for others. All else being equal, kinda illustrates there is no BEST anything for everyone.
*cough*, Moonlight, *cough*
BudgetPlan1
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Not sure what happened but walking by the van this morning, ran hand across hood and noticed a, uh...less than smooth feeling. Baggie test was indicates some tight, complete contamination over entire hood and upper fenders; the entire hood and upper fenders felt almost like spray glue had fallen upon it....very tight, total feel of grittiness, even Prime/Cancoat stripes. Roof and windshield was fine.
Anyway, quick rinseless with McKees 914 didn`t really improve anything with regards to feel, the entire hood, including CanCoat stripes, got something on it. Anyway, figrd what the heck and sprayed whole hood down with Gyeon Tar, let dwell then agitated a bit, then bucket washed hood with PB Super Slick and Suds. This brought back the smoothness to the CanCoat stripes but not the rest of hood. After drying, shot some water outta Kwazar Pump Sprayer, looks like everything beads well, but sheeting is somewhat diminished on all sections. Grabbed compressor hose, used to blow off hood...22ple and Kamikaze blew off much more completely and easily than the Recharge, say 33% more easily for a totally WAG at comparative measures.
This van spends much more time in warehouse during the day which has been quite busy with sawing, spraying and such since all the seasonal technicians and helpers got back 2 weeks ago...maybe something got on hood...dunno. Guess we`ll just see what happens going forward.
Could clay it using 22ple Fine Glasscoat clay but not sure if that will take off all of the toppers or not....open to suggestions.
Recharge:
Kamikaze:
22ple:
Anyway, quick rinseless with McKees 914 didn`t really improve anything with regards to feel, the entire hood, including CanCoat stripes, got something on it. Anyway, figrd what the heck and sprayed whole hood down with Gyeon Tar, let dwell then agitated a bit, then bucket washed hood with PB Super Slick and Suds. This brought back the smoothness to the CanCoat stripes but not the rest of hood. After drying, shot some water outta Kwazar Pump Sprayer, looks like everything beads well, but sheeting is somewhat diminished on all sections. Grabbed compressor hose, used to blow off hood...22ple and Kamikaze blew off much more completely and easily than the Recharge, say 33% more easily for a totally WAG at comparative measures.
This van spends much more time in warehouse during the day which has been quite busy with sawing, spraying and such since all the seasonal technicians and helpers got back 2 weeks ago...maybe something got on hood...dunno. Guess we`ll just see what happens going forward.
Could clay it using 22ple Fine Glasscoat clay but not sure if that will take off all of the toppers or not....open to suggestions.
Recharge:
Kamikaze:
22ple:
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Just curious...was the entire van covered in the contamination, or just the hood. Also wondering, does Gyeon Tar harm coatings? I never thought HSR would last as long as Kami OC, but I am pleased that 22PLE VS! FC is holding it`s own with Kami OC. I really like that 22PLE product as you know. I envisioned 22PLE VS1 FC as a poor man`s Kamikazi OC.
BudgetPlan1
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Twas the hood and upper fenders that something seems to have settled on, came off of the Prime/CanCoat stripes and a bit of the hood with Gyeon Tar which is OK for coatings.
Used Gyeon Tar on the rare warm day in mid-february to see if it would revive the lower vertical panels if my car, remove 12k miles of winter grime. Restored those panels quite well which at first glance, were weak on beading and sheeting from all the salt, brine and chemical sprays they dump on the rods in winter.
I think we`ll get a better idea when I do the Ranger hood and roof with all the boisters i have, sitting on top of McKees coating. That truck will likely be outside 24/7, driven a lot.
This van is our Project Managers and 90% of the time sits in the warehouse when not driving him to and from home. Lotsa contaminants floating around warehouse last 2 weeks and he generally parks where a lot of sawing, grinding, painting and just general raising of dust occurs.
I`m usually messing with vehicles at the other end where the floors are painted, clean and uncluttered and very little activity.
They`ve been painting diving boards near the truck recently, usually pointing large fans at them to speed curing under the infrared heater. Dunno, but something got in it, it seems.