Question: Souveran on top of Klasse

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BlkonBlk

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If you look at the "Guide to Detailing" under "The Perfect Shine" section, David outlines a process that includes Klasse AIO, then Klasse Sealant Glaze, followed by Souveran (I know I am skipping a lot of prep steps, but I'm attempting to be brief for a change).



The CMA site specifically recommends not using the Sealant Glaze in conjunction with AIO and Souveran. Of the folks who have tried this, can anyone tell me why each recommends a different procedure? I am considering trying this in a month or so. :nixweiss
 
There has been some discussion on this. Personally, I've never seen any problem with layering Souveran over Klasse. I did it on a dozen cars and never saw any hazing. I don't know if maybe I was doing something wrong or maybe I was doing something right. Either way, I haven't seen anything that is going to keep me from layering a carnauba over Klasse. I use P21S more than Souveran these days anyway.
 
Thanks for the quick repsponse. I'm not really questioning using Souveran over Klasse. That seems to be an accepted practice. I am questioning whether or not to use the Sealant Glaze between the AIO and the Souveran. Ever try that?
 
Is there any other way? :nixweiss I always use AIO before SG and I always top SG with a carnauba after it has cured. You could skip the SG step and put it over AIO if you wanted. I've done that. I just like the SG look better. Top SG with Souveran and your car is going to look awesome. Just don't try topping a wax with SG. SG isn't going to bond to any type of carnauba.
 
That's what I was looking for. Thanks.



Yeah, apparently there is another way, because the CMA site recommends skipping the SG step and going straight to carnuba. As long as it doesn't affect the clarity, I would think that it would have a lot of benefit. Just thought I would get the opinion of someone who had tried it. Thanks again. I'll post pics when I finish.
 
BlkonBlk said:
That's what I was looking for. Thanks.



Yeah, apparently there is another way, because the CMA site recommends skipping the SG step and going straight to carnuba. As long as it doesn't affect the clarity, I would think that it would have a lot of benefit. Just thought I would get the opinion of someone who had tried it. Thanks again. I'll post pics when I finish.
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I have actually done this (AIO/Souveran) and you will get very nice results with it. I have also done the AIO/SG/Souveran. Between the two, AIO/Souveran combo will have a very nice gloss to it as shown here
 
I always used to go with AIO, 3-4 coats of SG and then carnauba topper, mostly P21S. I did my wife's car this December, it was cold and I didn't want to risk SG hazing and didn't have much time either so I just skipped SG and went straight for P21S. I'd say that results were quite amazing. If you like the look of carnauba you'll be very pleased skipping SG. You won't get as much protection but if you plan to wax your car every 6-8 weeks this should be no problem. You have to remember tough that your car has to be completely swirl free, AIO + carnauba combo doesn't hide them as well as SG.

Just my $.02.
 
P21S or Souveran is going to look great on top of anything. It doesn't have to be SG to get good results. However, topping a car that already looks awesome because of the multiple coats of SG is only going to look better. You can see the difference between just AIO topped with wax and AIO+SG topped with wax. It works either way though, obviously. I've never seen any reason not to top SG with a wax though. I hate to miss out on the SG shine. ;)
 
Personally, I’ve always felt that on a dark or red car, carnauba (without any base sealant layers) looked the absolute best. I’ve done the AIOx2/KSGx3/Souveran routine on my black bmw and the shine was fantastic. I’ve also tried using glaze/carnauba on the same car and liked the shine even better. But this is a subjective area and you’ll never get a consensus opinion about which is better. It’s hard to argue against some of the fantastic Klasse/carnauba pictures posted here by Jngrbrdman (our resident Klasse expert). On the other hand, Scottwax has posted some nice glaze/carnauba pictures as well. Results are always going to vary from car to car as well as person to person.



Other things you might want to consider are:



1. Using multiple layers of KSG will give you the added luxury of durability.

2. Whichever route you decide to go, the quality of your prep will ultimately play a bigger factor in the end result than how many different combinations of waxes and sealants you try.
 
Lots of terrific points made here. I'd just like to chip in, like F1Crazy said, that SG does really help if you should happen to do a bit of a half-donkeyed job of doing the prep work. :p
 
I guess that is a safe way of putting it. No, typically, I'll spend days trying to get a car as blemish free as possible before I attempt any appearance enhancing products such as polish or wax. However, it looks as though to do this procedure correctly, my car may be garaged for as much as a week (I can only work on it during the evenings on weekdays). However, I am curious to see the results. Thanks for all the input on this. Right now I am planning on -

1. Menzerna Intensive Polish followed by

2. Menzerna Final Polish

3. AIO

4. KSG X 2 (maybe 3 if I have the discipline to wait)

5. Souveran X 2



Wish me luck.
 
I see you've decided to go with AIO, SG and Souveran topper, you can't go wrong with that combo.:xyxthumbs

One thing I noticed is that to really get the best out of SG you need 3-4 coats, this is all like you said appearance enhancing.

One more thing, on a perfect finish you can skip AIO and go straight to SG, just make sure the surface is free of fillers and oils that can interfere with Klasse bonding. Many people will still go with AIO just to make sure paint is clean and ready for SG.
 
F1Crazy said:
I see you've decided to go with AIO, SG and Souveran topper, you can't go wrong with that combo.:xyxthumbs

One thing I noticed is that to really get the best out of SG you need 3-4 coats, this is all like you said appearance enhancing.

One more thing, on a perfect finish you can skip AIO and go straight to SG, just make sure the surface is free of fillers and oils that can interfere with Klasse bonding. Many people will still go with AIO just to make sure paint is clean and ready for SG.
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Exactly....You see, I have never worked with Menzerna before and am not certain enough of its behavior to feel safe transitioning straight to KSG without cleaning the surface with AIO. We'll see what happens.:xyxthumbs
 
BlkonBlk said:
Exactly....You see, I have never worked with Menzerna before and am not certain enough of its behavior to feel safe transitioning straight to KSG without cleaning the surface with AIO. We'll see what happens.:xyxthumbs
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All my information about Menzerna is based on what CMA, DavidB and others have said here and according to them Menzerna polishes are very easy to work with, contain no fillers and leave no residue. I'm really anxious to hear more about them so be sure to post your results.

If you want to make sure that there is absolutely nothing on your paint use 1:1 water and alcohol solution, just a reminder, I'm sure you already know that.;)

Good luck!
 
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