Question re UNO V4 Drying up and dusting??

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pwaug

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I'm in the process of doing my wife's 97 Ford Escort--paint seems pretty hard--with UNO V4 and a 5.5" B&S Yellow pad with my GG DA--speed 5.5. Prime the pad with 3 pea size drops of UNO--after about 3 or 4 passes the UNO seems to have dried up and is producing some dust or is this just my inexperience seeing something happening that isn't?? Next section add 2 pea size drops of UNO and continue--same thing--seems to dry up. Am I using too little UNO??



Every other section I clean the pad on the fly with a brush and terry towel. The pad feels dry--not much UNO on or in it. After cleaning should I prime the pad again??



Any suggestions from UNO users would be appreciated.
 
You can give the pad a shot of quick detailer before applying the HD Uno then after about 3 passes on the panel that you are doing you spray some water on the panel to rehydrate the polish.
 
pwaug said:
after about 3 or 4 passes the UNO seems to have dried up and is producing some dust or is this just my inexperience seeing something happening that isn't??
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What's that all about? I was going to reply but it sounds like you have all the answers.
 
Dan said:
What's that all about? I was going to reply but it sounds like you have all the answers.
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Dan--far from having all the answers--are you saying the UNO is not dried up, but is still there on the surface even though it's creating dust after 3 or 4 passes? I need to do 6-8 passes to get most of the water marks out of the finish. I'm new to machine polishing and need all the help I can get.
 
How about go 3 passes, add 2 pea sized drops and continue. Paint and weather is different. Change it up and see if it works.
 
Pwaug,



Sorry to hear about your issues. HD Uno should not be drying up. It should actually have real long working cycles. There are a few things that could create the product drying up so quickly. Did you prime your pad? If so how did you do it. I see your new to polishing so may I suggest reading this article by Kevin Brown from Buffdaddy.com. Kevin is a forum sponsor and heck of an intelligent man. Here is the articles link.



http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/135155-kbm-pad-priming-supplemental-wetting-agents.html



Also if your using a new pad. 3 Pea size drops simply isn't enough. It wouldn't surprise me if the speed of the Griots machine isn't drying it up. Its very important to start slow on like 2 or 3 and spread the product evenly with no pressure then turn it up to speed 4 or 5. While doing this you'll want to use moderate pressure. The pressure should be just enough to compress your pad a little, but still allowing the machine to move in its natural random orbit. Good luck to you and shine on brother!:high5
 
Thanks so much for addressing my post. Now I'm really confused. I'm familiar with KBM (but did re-read the attached info) but was under the impression from reading posts on Autopia.org that it didn't work well with UNO. Everything I recall says "less is more" with regards to UNO and that the pad should be primed with just 3 or 4 pea size drops of UNO and add 2 pea sized drops for each additional section. See these replies to this exact question: http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine-polishing-sanding/139890-kevin-brown-method-uno.html



I do spread the product with a couple of passes on Speed 3 with no pressure and then do turn up the speed to 5 to 5.5 with pressure (I could be adding too much pressure here, but I do have a line on my backing plate to assure the pad is always moving) so at least I'm doing that correctly. I'll try more UNO for priming tomorrow when I continue. Thanks!





moderator2 said:
Pwaug,



Sorry to hear about your issues. HD Uno should not be drying up. It should actually have real long working cycles. There are a few things that could create the product drying up so quickly. Did you prime your pad? If so how did you do it. I see your new to polishing so may I suggest reading this article by Kevin Brown from Buffdaddy.com. Kevin is a forum sponsor and heck of an intelligent man. Here is the articles link.



http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/135155-kbm-pad-priming-supplemental-wetting-agents.html



Also if your using a new pad. 3 Pea size drops simply isn't enough. It wouldn't surprise me if the speed of the Griots machine isn't drying it up. Its very important to start slow on like 2 or 3 and spread the product evenly with no pressure then turn it up to speed 4 or 5. While doing this you'll want to use moderate pressure. The pressure should be just enough to compress your pad a little, but still allowing the machine to move in its natural random orbit. Good luck to you and shine on brother!:high5
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I've read specifically that using too much UNO will reduce it's cut, so I'm not sure adding more is going to help you. When I've used the new UNO, I started with 4 drops then continue everywhere else with two drops. After several panels, I did start getting some dusting, not 105 dusting, but still dusting, but perhaps I didn't clean my pad as well or often as i should have. The drying up, I've always been told that it's the dry paint soaking up the oils in the compound/polish, thus causing it to dry prematurely.
 
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try priming with 4 drops instead of 3. I'm getting dusting even on my first section cleaning pad after every other section--the car is 14 years old -- would that account for dry paint? After cleaning on the fly should I reprime the pad or continue with 2 drops/addtional section??



RZJZA80 said:
I've read specifically that using too much UNO will reduce it's cut, so I'm not sure adding more is going to help you. When I've used the new UNO, I started with 4 drops then continue everywhere else with two drops. After several panels, I did start getting some dusting, not 105 dusting, but still dusting, but perhaps I didn't clean my pad as well or often as i should have. The drying up, I've always been told that it's the dry paint soaking up the oils in the compound/polish, thus causing it to dry prematurely.
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pwaug said:
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try priming with 4 drops instead of 3. I'm getting dusting even on my first section cleaning pad after every other section--the car is 14 years old -- would that account for dry paint? After cleaning on the fly should I reprime the pad or continue with 2 drops/addtional section??
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Dry paint generally occurs over long periods of time when paint is left unprotected, and probably left in the sun a lot. I'm sure there are other factors, I just don't know specifically. I don't think you really need to reprime the pad after the initial time, but i could be wrong. i never do, i continue with 2 drops for each additional pass.
 
Pwuag,



When I was mentioning the use of a little more product I was talking with the pad prime. My apologies for not making that more clear. When using a brand new pad it will be a little stiffer. A primed pad will soften it up a little bit. Also a primed pad will allow for easier spread of the product and will ensure the abrasive in HD Uno is spread out consintently over the pads surface. Keep in mind I'm not a 3D/HD employee. I'm just a moderator on Autopia. However I do have alot of years in the business. My answers come from personal expierence.



Steve
 
It is a possibility, that because the product is thick, there maybe some issues as far as the application, but it will not effect the performance. Adding some HD polish may help.



pwaug said:
It occured to me that my UNO V4 does not look like the UNO David shows on his pad in this thread http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine-polishing-sanding/139890-kevin-brown-method-uno.html Mine is much thicker and doesn't flatten out or flow at all when put on the pad. Could this be part of the problem? The date on the bottle is 1/2/12
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any update, pwaug? I'm having this same issue with my HD UNO. I'm not really sure what the problem is so I don't know how to fix it.
 
To cut down on dust I have heard that people add baby oil to extend the work time and eliminate dusting on polishes.
 
someidiot said:
any update, pwaug? I'm having this same issue with my HD UNO. I'm not really sure what the problem is so I don't know how to fix it.
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No one from 3D offered any real explanation. It was very hot and humid that day, but the HD Polish had no problems and I haven't had a chance to use UNO V4 again.
 
I have done a few older cars and I have good luck using KAIO instead of any regular polishes. I know it sounds weird, but it works.
 
UNO4 will slightly dust at times, especially if you are working in warm temps with hot paint. If it is drying up try using a little more until you hit that magic spot for your pad, speed, and paint temp.
 
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