Ok I've been using the Megs M105 and M205 on my car and I'm just about finished. I did each section twice with both products. It's looking really good. But I noticed that I've used almost half of each 32 oz. bottles. Is this normal for a car with normal amount of swirling and halogens? I say normal amount for a car that hasn't been polished in 7 years. Just wondering if I used too much. Or this is about normal for a medium sized car.
Question on M105/M205
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Accumulator
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dynamic73- That sounds like an awful lot of product but with M105/M205 there can be benefits from using more rather than less. I *usually* tell people to use less of *any* product, but those two are the exceptions.
But FWIW I did a few vehicles, including my DenaliXL, with my first one quart bottles of each.
As long as you're not over-priming your pads, I dunno if I'd worry about it. You're not buffing off a whole lot of product residue are you? That'd be a clue that you're using too much.
But FWIW I did a few vehicles, including my DenaliXL, with my first one quart bottles of each.
As long as you're not over-priming your pads, I dunno if I'd worry about it. You're not buffing off a whole lot of product residue are you? That'd be a clue that you're using too much.
Bear in mind. This is my 1st time ever attempting any kind of polishing like this. I've always been just a wash and wax guy. But I got a new PCXP and the Meg's compounds and went to town. I did read this forum very carefully for at least 6 months. Before even attempting to do this. I just pulled my car outside for the 1st time about an hour ago. I've been slowly working on it for about 2 weeks now. For a black car with really super soft clear-coat. It looks really good. 85-90% perfect. Which is really good to me.
I did prime my pads. I'm sure I didn't work the M105 as good as a pro. I learning and the M105 is really hard to work with. Compaired to the M205. I did have a lot of product to buff off with the M105 and not as much with the m205. I have been working in high humidity (90%-95%) here in Florida. Which I don't know if that has any effect on it. The M105 seems like it only has a 30-60 sec. work time. Where the M205 I could polish for 2-3 mins.
So I was just wondering if the amount of product I used was anywhere near normal. Because I still trying to learn. And just wondering how much you guys usually use on a car for mostly swirl correction.
I did prime my pads. I'm sure I didn't work the M105 as good as a pro. I learning and the M105 is really hard to work with. Compaired to the M205. I did have a lot of product to buff off with the M105 and not as much with the m205. I have been working in high humidity (90%-95%) here in Florida. Which I don't know if that has any effect on it. The M105 seems like it only has a 30-60 sec. work time. Where the M205 I could polish for 2-3 mins.
So I was just wondering if the amount of product I used was anywhere near normal. Because I still trying to learn. And just wondering how much you guys usually use on a car for mostly swirl correction.
Accumulator
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dynamic73- How much I use just depends on how bad the swirls are and how h ard the paint is; if I have to go over each panel many times I'll use a lot more product than if I only have to go over them three or four times.
But there shouldn't be much polish residue to buff off with these products. Since the M105/M205 don't break down, you don't want a lot of dried-out (abrasive) product left on the panels.
It's kinda a balancing act between priming the pads properly and working the correct size of area.
Try to find the Cliff's notes version of the Kevin Brown Method, it might make this easier to understand.
But hey, if you're getting the results you want, who's to say you need to change anything?
But there shouldn't be much polish residue to buff off with these products. Since the M105/M205 don't break down, you don't want a lot of dried-out (abrasive) product left on the panels.
It's kinda a balancing act between priming the pads properly and working the correct size of area.
Try to find the Cliff's notes version of the Kevin Brown Method, it might make this easier to understand.
But hey, if you're getting the results you want, who's to say you need to change anything?
with my 1st attempt at 105/205 this past weekend, i noticed alot of it seems to be wasted soaking into the pad, and heading all the way to the backing plate! when i removed my pads it was all over the velcro. perhaps this is normal for 105?
fwiw, i was able to use a fraction of it compared to OHC simply because it did a much better job. my method was to apply a dab to the pad, maybe the size of a couple of peas, spread it around the working surface a bit ( i know accumulator doesnt like the spreading method
) and then switch on the machine. i think i read before that it doesnt realy need time to active, so i would just turn the machine in at speed 4, then maybe rachet up to 5.5 after 20 secs or so.
since 105 seems to dry so fast, using alot of it just seems wasteful. i was turning the machine off every 30 secs to 1 min to put a few more drops on the pad. the other guys at the shop asked me if my machine was broken cause theyr used to it being on MUCH longer, due to the long work times of the optimum products.
but accumulator is right. just put a dab on and work in small sections. you will need to keep reloading more frequently, but once you get in the groove, its not that bad. im realy loving 105 so far!
fwiw, i was able to use a fraction of it compared to OHC simply because it did a much better job. my method was to apply a dab to the pad, maybe the size of a couple of peas, spread it around the working surface a bit ( i know accumulator doesnt like the spreading method
) and then switch on the machine. i think i read before that it doesnt realy need time to active, so i would just turn the machine in at speed 4, then maybe rachet up to 5.5 after 20 secs or so.since 105 seems to dry so fast, using alot of it just seems wasteful. i was turning the machine off every 30 secs to 1 min to put a few more drops on the pad. the other guys at the shop asked me if my machine was broken cause theyr used to it being on MUCH longer, due to the long work times of the optimum products.
but accumulator is right. just put a dab on and work in small sections. you will need to keep reloading more frequently, but once you get in the groove, its not that bad. im realy loving 105 so far!
imported_NRZ
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I too used it this weekend for the first time and was very impressed, I hardly used any and got great results, but the three dots on the pad.
Accumulator
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Aekon said:
Not IME, sounds like you're using too much product and/or not cleaning the pad out well enough/often enough. That product that's ending up on the backing plate isn't doing anything productive, it's just being wasted.
Was this with both the M105 and the M205 or just the M205? It's a thinner product and much more oily. But you still don't want so much that it gets through the velcro and onto the backing plate.
my method was to apply a dab to the pad, maybe the size of a couple of peas, spread it around the working surface a bit ( i know accumulator doesnt like the spreading method
Heh heh, it won't dry out so fast if you quit wasting the oils/etc. by spreading it around first
That's why I don't like the spreading, its counterproductive with these products just like it's *productive* with different products.Heh heh M105 and Optimum are at opposite ends of the worktime scale all right!
Are you cleaning off the pad before adding more product? That might be a good idea.
but accumulator is right. just put a dab on and work in small sections. you will need to keep reloading more frequently, but once you get in the groove, its not that bad. im realy loving 105 so far![/QUOTE]
I have found out that spreading the product out and around in the area your going to work doesn't help. If you spread M105 out. You can see the top outter layer starting to flash. As fast as your trying to spread it. Puttting a couple of dots on the pad and then working it in the area. Worked a lot better for me.
actualy, your right, it was the 205 that was getting thru to the backing plate more. i dont think the 105 was doing that. though, i still wasnt using that much.
i will try your spreading method again directly on the pad. but when i said i spread it out on the surface, i didnt mean i bit area... maybe a few inches square. just a bit bigger than the area of the pad.
how should i be cleaning off the pad after every application? when i take it away from the car it usualy looks dry-ish. theres never more stuff ready to go that i should have used. and considering i was using FAR less than compared to the optimum stuff, i was confused as to why so much was making it thru the pad right to the velcro.
i will try your spreading method again directly on the pad. but when i said i spread it out on the surface, i didnt mean i bit area... maybe a few inches square. just a bit bigger than the area of the pad.
how should i be cleaning off the pad after every application? when i take it away from the car it usualy looks dry-ish. theres never more stuff ready to go that i should have used. and considering i was using FAR less than compared to the optimum stuff, i was confused as to why so much was making it thru the pad right to the velcro.
I used 105/205 combo today and I am still trying to learn the best process to use it. I used the KBM for both.
My first pad with the 105 did get all the way thru to the backing plate. I wiped the pad after every few applications. The second pad I wiped after each application and I got much better results with no product getting close to the backing plate. I think I used to much product when I first started which lead to the soaked pad. Cause the second pad I used less product and wiped more.
Now the 205 was much easier as it has a longer work time and it wasn't as critical to wipe after each application. I did wipe after every few though.
Have you searched the Kevin Brown Method at all? If not, do so and follow it and you should have good results.
My first pad with the 105 did get all the way thru to the backing plate. I wiped the pad after every few applications. The second pad I wiped after each application and I got much better results with no product getting close to the backing plate. I think I used to much product when I first started which lead to the soaked pad. Cause the second pad I used less product and wiped more.
Now the 205 was much easier as it has a longer work time and it wasn't as critical to wipe after each application. I did wipe after every few though.
Have you searched the Kevin Brown Method at all? If not, do so and follow it and you should have good results.
salty
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You can reactivate 105 with a spritz of water.
Accumulator
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Aekon- I guess the amount of product to use is just your own personal learning curve with this product
I can't help but think that you're forcing a lot of product deep into the pad where it's not doing you much good, but I'm not sure what to tell you :nixweiss
With the M205, don't let the LOOONG work time trick you into not cleaning the pad; it might have a lot of cut-off clear that needs cleaned off. BUt otherwise IME a reasonable amount of M205 can go a long way.
I usually just spritz the pad with #34 and wipe with a towel. Then I blow it off with compressed air. If I think the pad isn't coming clean well enough then yeah, I'll either retire it for that session or clean it out with Dawn Power Dissolver.
I've reactivated M105 and it worked fine for me, but I sorta put that in the "don't try this at home, kids!" category. Water is very different from the oil-heavy carrier agents that fresh M105 contains. Some day, someone is gonna get some *really* serious "oops!" from doing this.
I can't help but think that you're forcing a lot of product deep into the pad where it's not doing you much good, but I'm not sure what to tell you :nixweiss
With the M205, don't let the LOOONG work time trick you into not cleaning the pad; it might have a lot of cut-off clear that needs cleaned off. BUt otherwise IME a reasonable amount of M205 can go a long way.
I usually just spritz the pad with #34 and wipe with a towel. Then I blow it off with compressed air. If I think the pad isn't coming clean well enough then yeah, I'll either retire it for that session or clean it out with Dawn Power Dissolver.
I've reactivated M105 and it worked fine for me, but I sorta put that in the "don't try this at home, kids!" category. Water is very different from the oil-heavy carrier agents that fresh M105 contains. Some day, someone is gonna get some *really* serious "oops!" from doing this.