Question about sealant!

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Elonheater32

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I just ordered some UPGP and am excited since I have never used a sealant before!



I also ordered some Griot's wax to use on my wifes car (the sealant is for my car). Would it be a good idea to apply wax on top of the sealant once it has cured? It seems as if by buffing on and buffing off the wax might remove some of the sealant.



Also, how long does it typically take for UPGP to cure before applying another coat? Is there a certain amount of coats that is ideal?



Is more coats always better or does there come to a point of diminishing returns?



Thanks guys in advance!!!
 
You can apply wax on top of UPGP if you want.



12hrs between coats of UPGP



I find 3 coats is enough the first time you use UPGP, then 3-4 times a year, apply another coat.
 
Elonheater32 said:
..I also ordered some Griot's wax to use on my wifes car (the sealant is for my car). Would it be a good idea to apply wax on top of the sealant once it has cured? It seems as if by buffing on and buffing off the wax might remove some of the sealant...
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Which Griot's wax did you get? [Insert negative opinion regarding all Griot's waxes here]



I doubt the wax will compromise the sealant much, if any, but it *will* make it impossible for you to add more sealant in the future (without stripping everything and starting over).



Considering that I wouldn't want Griot's wax on any of my vehicles anyhow, I sure wouldn't put it over top of a nice sealant. But then I don't top *any* of my sealants...just wasn't worth the downside to me.
 
The reason I got Griot's wax is for my wife's car.... which is a black car and isn't in the best shape. It was cheap!! The main car I am concerned about is my car! We are in the process of getting a new car for my wife and when that comes then I will use the UPGP on it!



That makes sense about the wax preventing you from being able to put a new coat of sealant on it.



Thanks guys!
 
My guess is that you will get so spoiled with the speed, ease of use, durability, and quality of the UPGP, you will end up using it on both vehicles.
 
Accumulator said:
Which Griot's wax did you get? [Insert negative opinion regarding all Griot's waxes here]



I doubt the wax will compromise the sealant much, if any, but it *will* make it impossible for you to add more sealant in the future (without stripping everything and starting over).



Considering that I wouldn't want Griot's wax on any of my vehicles anyhow, I sure wouldn't put it over top of a nice sealant. But then I don't top *any* of my sealants...just wasn't worth the downside to me.
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Hmm, according to Ultima Paint Guard Plus FAQ, it shouldn't be a problem. Am I missing something?



Can Ultima Paint Guard Plus be applied over another manufacturer's wax product?

You bet! Although we recommend first using Ultima Paint Prep Plus, many people have used Ultima Paint Guard Plus over other (fully cured) wax products with very good results. In all cases, Ultima Paint Guard Plus will increase gloss and durability.



Ultima Paint Guard Plus Clearcoat Paint Sealant
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
My guess is that you will get so spoiled with the speed, ease of use, durability, and quality of the UPGP, you will end up using it on both vehicles.
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^^^^^ ....this.



Just make sure you don't get discouraged if you get some streaking the first time or two you use a WOWA product like UPGP. Most people do before they get a feel for it. I'm currently using Opti-Seal myself and it's a real time saver. Personally, I will usually apply a 2nd coat simply to ensure adequate, even coverage (typically 15-30 minutes after the first coat). ....and re-apply as desired/needed down the road.
 
I just used UPGP on my car this last weekend. Put on two coats.



On the first coat, I followed the directions, two pumps at first to prime the applicator and then one pump per panel. When I did this, I could see a little product in the first straight line wipe but nothing on the rest of the panel. I felt like I was not applying any product on the paint and did not notice a film like it says in the instructions.



12 hours latter, I applied a second coat where I did two pumps per panel. This time i could see product being applied but 24 hours latter, I was left with streaks which I removed with a quick detailer. Apparently, I applied too much.



Can you guys share your process to correctly apply UPGP? After you spray the pad, do you "spread" the product around on the pad with your finger?
 
I use Optiseal. Its very tempting and easy to use too much. It wipes off fine with a qd or a wash. However, to get it close to right the first time, I like to think of it as a "grease/oil" and not a liquid. With that in mind, think of greasing and not spreading liquid. The liquid is gone fast, but the grease is there. So dont need more product.
 
piku said:
I just used UPGP on my car this last weekend. Put on two coats.



On the first coat, I followed the directions, two pumps at first to prime the applicator and then one pump per panel. When I did this, I could see a little product in the first straight line wipe but nothing on the rest of the panel. I felt like I was not applying any product on the paint and did not notice a film like it says in the instructions.



12 hours latter, I applied a second coat where I did two pumps per panel. This time i could see product being applied but 24 hours latter, I was left with streaks which I removed with a quick detailer. Apparently, I applied too much.



Can you guys share your process to correctly apply UPGP? After you spray the pad, do you "spread" the product around on the pad with your finger?
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Follow the instructions, two to prime the pad then one for each section. You shouldn't be able to see it.
 
Elonheater32 said:
I also ordered some Griot's wax to use on my wifes car (the sealant is for my car). Would it be a good idea to apply wax on top of the sealant once it has cured?
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You can do it, but I would recommend that you do not. One of the great advantages of UPGP is its ease of use: wipe on and walk away. It is just so darn easy to apply! Why mess around with carnauba toppers? I think you will discover that once you have two or three coats of UPGP on your car, you will be delighted by its look.



As a general rule, one does not apply synthetic sealants on top of carnauba waxes; but of course there are exceptions, and UPGP may be an exception, as evidenced by the Ultima FAQ. But I personally would avoid carnaubas and would stick to UPGP exclusively.



piku said:
I just used UPGP on my car this last weekend. Put on two coats.



On the first coat, I followed the directions, two pumps at first to prime the applicator and then one pump per panel. When I did this, I could see a little product in the first straight line wipe but nothing on the rest of the panel. I felt like I was not applying any product on the paint and did not notice a film like it says in the instructions. 12 hours latter, I applied a second coat where I did two pumps per panel. This time i could see product being applied but 24 hours latter, I was left with streaks which I removed with a quick detailer. Apparently, I applied too much. Can you guys share your process to correctly apply UPGP? After you spray the pad, do you "spread" the product around on the pad with your finger?
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Follow the directions. Don't worry that you cannot see anything being applied to the paint. Trust me. It's there. After the initial two sprays, one spray per panel is sufficient. Just wipe the applicator around, trusting that the sealant is being applied. Don't touch it. Just let it be for twelve hours.



If you haven't read through the UPGP FAQ yet, then do so. You will find it very helpful. UPGP was recently reviewed by an experienced detailer on another site. He gave UPGP negative marks because of the streaking problems he experienced. If he had read the FAQ and followed the directions, he would not have experienced any problems. UPGP is not like your ordinary sealant or wax.
 
Put the wax on the shelf and just hit the other car with the UPGP. You will use hardly any, and it will take like 5 minutes, plus it will look better, stay cleaner, clean easier, and last longer.
 
WOW..... I know it sounds crazy, but even after EVERBODY says that one pump per panel is enough.... I'm still stumped. That is incredible that it takes that little product!



So when I apply it, should I see ANYTHING at all? Any moisture or residude? Is the UPGP 100% transparent when you are applying? I guess it takes a real leap of faith to know that you are actually applying something to the panels!!
 
Elonheater32 said:
So when I apply it, should I see ANYTHING at all? Any moisture or residude? Is the UPGP 100% transparent when you are applying? I guess it takes a real leap of faith to know that you are actually applying something to the panels!!
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The only way I know anything is on the pad is when I wipe it on the black plastic trim.
 
Thanks guys. I will follow the directions and have faith. Yep, I have red the UPGP FAQ a few times. :xyxthumbs
 
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