Prove to Me Some Waxes "Yellow" Paint

STG said:
TigerMike,



WHAT PROOF? WHAT PUDDING? Show me! I started this thread after reading BS posts like yours. I asked for proof on this thread!



jfelbab,



Thanks. That's what I was looking for.





My proof was done 10 years ago, and have no means to show you what happened a decade ago. Besides, I don't have to prove anything to you, do the tests yourself man. I am telling you what I saw with my OWN EYES. That IS my proof. You can believe it or not, I don't care.



I haven't touched a Meg's wax or #26 in years, and furthermore, don't intend to.



And, what did the previous poster give you proof wise? Nothing more than his experience and conjecture, just like I did, but you didn't call his BS. Believe what you wish, makes no diff to me!



I have presented my personal experience with this situation, and have no further interest in this debate. I challenge you to draw your own conclusions from personal experience.
 
TigerMike said:
My proof was done 10 years ago, and have no means to show you what happened a decade ago. Besides, I don't have to prove anything to you, do the tests yourself man. I am telling you what I saw with my OWN EYES. That IS my proof. You can believe it or not, I don't care.



I haven't touched a Meg's wax or #26 in years, and furthermore, don't intend to.



And, what did the previous poster give you proof wise? Nothing more than his experience and conjecture, just like I did, but you didn't call his BS. Believe what you wish, makes no diff to me!





O.K. you have established yourself as a simpleton. I started this thread by asking for proof. You cannot provide any, so why in the hell did you post a reply?
 
Has ANYBODY posted any definitive proof? No! Experieces only! Are we all simpletons then? Why the hell did you start a thread for which there is going to be no real proof?



My proof is my experience and that is good enough for me.





Quote:

Originally Posted by STG



Note: My use of the word yellow or yellowing is not meant to imply tinting - just a yellow appearance.





You must be the confused one here. Again, we are NOT talking about a yellow appearance, but a tint or cast. By your little "note" above, you have no idea what we are referring to! NOONE implied a yellow appearance, including me.
 
STG said:
O.K. you have established yourself as a simpleton. I started this thread by asking for proof. You cannot provide any, so why in the hell did you post a reply?
And you have earned yourself a warning . . . personal attacks on other posters are not acceptable. More of this behavior will result in a three-day timeout.



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Accumulator said:
OK, could be they're all that way and I just somehow never noticed before :nixweiss What I know about Caddy pearl white wouldn't fill a thimble ;) Pretty awful looking IMO though, at least compared to the pearls I *do* know about...to each their own..



Cadillac has two pearls, one a regular pearl which does have a yellow-ish cast to it in certain light and a diamond white which is basically a white metallic. Side by side, the difference is very obvious.



Regular pearl:



1052003_Cadillac_Escalade_VM845_front2.jpg








Diamond white:



1052002_Cadillac_DeVille_rear.jpg
 
I used M26 last weekend on my black ride, and for parts where I had put it on a little too thick, the MF buffing cloth I used did turn yellow. If you guys insist, I can stage a re-application and take pictures. But do try to refrain from that as I'm just too lazy....:grinno:



But IMHO, I think M26 should be left to dark coloured cars anyway.
 
ScottWax- OK, thanks for explaining about the two pearls. The one I see is a *lot* more yellowish than your pic of the Escalade though, I mean it looks positively *golden* on that DTS :nixweiss
 
sWISHbrade said:
I used M26 last weekend on my black ride, and for parts where I had put it on a little too thick, the MF buffing cloth I used did turn yellow. If you guys insist, I can stage a re-application and take pictures. But do try to refrain from that as I'm just too lazy....:grinno:



But IMHO, I think M26 should be left to dark coloured cars anyway.



The cloth turned yellow ---- how about THE PAINT???? My pads turn purple when I use M21, my truck stays white.
 
TigerMike said:
Well, that is your and his opinion, not mine. Others have reported similar findings to mine, so I guess there will be a camp that believes it does and one that doesn't. Which is fine by me, as I no longer use #26 or any Meg's product for that matter.



As to the layering, I had no intention of layering #26, I simply applied a coat about every 2 weeks for the fun of it (along with mixed coats of Mediallion and Gold Class). "Nice try" on the film thickness argument too, unless you have proof by means of a paint thickness gauge. While it may not truly layer, I do believe a wax buildup can occur. And, this was done many years ago as well, as I haven't since touched a Meg's wax in about a decade.



How did you clean the paint between the applications? To me it sounds more likely that it was simply contaminants that gave the tint :nixweiss



When I get a chance to work on a white car I will test different LSP's myself, as I'd like to see if I'm able to tell a difference.
 
Accumulator said:
ScottWax- OK, thanks for explaining about the two pearls. The one I see is a *lot* more yellowish than your pic of the Escalade though, I mean it looks positively *golden* on that DTS :nixweiss



It depends on the light, the Escalade can have a yellow/orangish look to it.
 
Scottwax said:
Cadillac has two pearls, one a regular pearl which does have a yellow-ish cast to it in certain light and a diamond white which is basically a white metallic. Side by side, the difference is very obvious.



Regular pearl:



1052003_Cadillac_Escalade_VM845_front2.jpg








Diamond white:



1052002_Cadillac_DeVille_rear.jpg



Am I the only one who doesn't see the difference b/w the two pics? Both seem to be overexposed, and I see no yellowish tint on either.
 
Scottwax said:
Cadillac has two pearls, one a regular pearl which does have a yellow-ish cast to it in certain light and a diamond white which is basically a white metallic. Side by side, the difference is very obvious.



Regular pearl:



1052003_Cadillac_Escalade_VM845_front2.jpg








Diamond white:



1052002_Cadillac_DeVille_rear.jpg

Hard to tell from those Britte pics but I know what you're saying Ive noticed that in person the pearl does have a yellow hue to it.

What of the M26 its suppose to contain silicones, and how much carnuba does it really have in it % wise, how long does it last months 2 three?, can it be layered has anyone seen yellowing from too much of it on the paint.
 
Scottwax said:
Cadillac has two pearls, one a regular pearl which does have a yellow-ish cast to it in certain light and a diamond white which is basically a white metallic. Side by side, the difference is very obvious.



Wanted to post on this when I saw it, so I registered, but it took me a while to achieve "active" status



At any rate, Cadillac has had "white diamond" for around 15 model years now. It is the pearl white tri-coat that has a yellow cast to it in certain lights. The color coat has a ton of gold flake in it, giving that yellow in some angles. The top coat is where the white pearl-like tint is accentuated. Those two ingredients make it a much more expensive film to spray as well as one that is extremely difficult to match.



The one that seems a bit brighter is one from the last 3 model years called "white lightning" and does not have the gold hue. At the right angle it will give a bluish-white flash of color. Indirect light makes this one look more plain white than the white diamond.
 
RCBuddha said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see the difference b/w the two pics? Both seem to be overexposed, and I see no yellowish tint on either.



Too much dark or light areas screws up my camera's light meter, even though it uses matrix metering-either washes out light colored cars or the background when shooting dark cars. :wall:



Best examples I could find of both colors and the lighting was different. :nixweiss
 
ScottWax- IMO that matrix metering is working out pretty well, decent trade-off between shadow detail and highlights (not getting washed out). At least it didn't see the bright white car in the middle of the frame and underexpose everything trying to turn it into "middle gray".



Noting that you have some photog experience (to say the least) you might want to revisit your notes on the Zone System ;) It'll probably confirm that you're doing well.



Heh heh, last time I forgot to compensate with my stone-age SLR my silver MPV turned out right around 18% gray :o At least your camera's matrix program doesn't do *that*.
 
Hey guys, I meant to post this yesterday, when I was driving to work I was next to a Mary Kay DTS, with a pink pearl paint job, that also took on that gold hue at the right angle.
 
I think we should settle this in a more constructive way. We use this terminology, because we can not describe this effect better.



STG, before you start to shout and asking for proof, remember that you are just as unable to prove that #26 won't change the appearance. Yes, the paint will stay very nearly the same color as before. But, it will be darker (how?), richer (how? what's that?) and warmer (huh? how?). The active ingredients render the optical qualities in a certain recognizable way. That's what we are discussing.



No one questions the darkening effect, a richer appearance or a silver ghosting of an old-school sealant. If you don't know what I'm talking about, well, this effect was/is a special refractive *feature* of certain early sealants. From flatter angles, a silvery reflection (what we call ghosting) appears, and it can wash out/hide/overshadow the original color in a pool of silvery splash of light. When the angles change, the ghosting disappear. The term *yellowing* tries to describe a similar effect, although the colors are always visible and exact. However, what others call rich warmth (try to describe it better; if spot on, we accept) is actually a shift in the overall light reflection spectrum or range.



Colors can and will influence the subjective results. More than ten years ago, I performed an interesting test. I colored the same sealant with drops of food coloring (red, blue and green) and painters and body shop guys were overwhelmed by the pink one and basically didn't care for the others. Oh yes, the colors of the cars remained the same...



Once again if you don't get it: it is not the paint what "yellows". If you broaden the abilities of your vision, you may be notice a very subtle golden undertone of the glow (can you describe glow? - no, not phosphoric wax...), which are noticeable in the reflections which follow the contours of the car but also present on the *aural areas* of the surface . Unfortunately, the term itself is often associated with wax buildup.



Unless you find an extremely lucky angle to show this, it is almost impossible to demonstrate. We cannot prove that a wine tastes like forest earth tone, or an analogue recording contains more details and superior natural staging next to a digital one. These are ultra fine resolution sensory differences. Some of us can detect them, some not. But still, the effect is there. It is a visually holistic viewpoint which requires more from us than a single, hasty analytical glance. Science is for Dexter... and I'm glad indeed, that I'm able to detect such fine, subtle, subjective hues.
 
The color of an object that we see is the color of light reflected. All other colors are absorbed. the car "appeared" yellow probably due to atmospheric or weather conditon like sunset, sunrise, or moisture in the air causing a rainbow effect.
 
It will look the same regardless of the standard thesis of *Ufology Explanations*. Even at night under a metal-haldide light source it will look warmer than a sealant.
 
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