Products for Red 360 Ferrari? Save me from buying $1100 Zymol Vintage

True about Zymol being beauty waxes but I believe and I may be mistaken if Zymol is properly applied durability can be up there to due to the high canuba content.
 
I went ahead and purchased the Swissol Concours/Smaragd. It has the same carnauba content by volume (51%) as the Zymol Destiny, but for $299 vs $486. I will let you all know and see the results.
 
AWESOME! CONGRATS....let us know how you like it. Remember to prep the finish well (cleanse and polish) and use the wax according to the directions. Sometimes you just have to try things for yourself and not listen to everyone. May cost some money but you have the satisfaction of finding out for yourself!
 
See what happens when you don't have internet at work!?! I missed all the good stuff. I hope for that $299 you got a majority mix of virgin aka "white" carnauba. That might be the difference between Concourso (sp) and EGZ Destiny, plus the banana, coconut and linseed oils..I think.



I have had no problems with the durability factor in the EGZymols either. Of course, a garage and a cover will help things a bit.



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Rogue,

I think when you try out and see Vintage in person, one of the last things on your mind will be about how durable it is compared to p21s; Although as a p21s user I feel it is a great product in terms of ease of use and durability.



Vintage....well why not see for yourself...........??!!!



Accumulator, I think your time is nearing lol!! (You really didn't think that I would let this opp slip by right??) lol!!!!!
 
Amen PC. I was reading along in this thread until I came across your post, which summed up my thoughts at this point exactly.



the other pc said:
I totally support people using whatever products make them happy. I don't care how much of their money they spend. A little or a lot, it doesn't matter to me. That's their business and power to them.



But the proposition that kicked off this thread was that Ferrari paint somehow required something different than other finishes. That I disagree with. Ferrari didn't go to PPG and say "Hey, make a paint exclusively for us that's a big PITA."



If TheRogue or his customers find they prefer one product over another that's their call. I just don't think anybody should feel they're going to "harm" the finish or produce "bad" results if they use "normal" high quality products.





PC.
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lbls1 said:
Accumulator, I think your time is nearing lol!! (You really didn't think that I would let this opp slip by right??) lol!!!!!
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LOL-- I think you have been on Accumulator about this for a while now, like white on rice!



Yea Accumulator, even now I going to have the estate glazes in my posession. *PEER PRESSURE!* lol
 
So, after reading lbls1's comments, I went back and took a closer look at the Carnauba types in both the Zymol and Swissol waxes. Even though the Swissol Smaragd and the Zymol Destiny have the same Carnauba content by volume (51%), the Swissol seems like it has little or no white (Swissol doesn't list ingredients, just a description), while the Zymol has 90% white, 10% Yellow. So this put me back onto Zymol. After looking at the Zymol vintage, I noticed it is a pairing of White Carnauba and White Sap (whatever that is). The Zymol Ital offers 90% White with 10% Yellow Sap at a 47% volume. Seemed like an interesting route to try, especially since it is cheaper than the Destiny.



To further my leaning in the Zymol Ital direction, I picked up a new jar on ebay for $200. I have already placed my Swissol order, but have sent a couple emails to cancel it. I just may end up with a jar of Swissol Smaragd as well. Ha. I'll keep y'all informed, and take plenty of pictures of the results.



Mike.
 
TheRogue said:
...a Ferrari enthusiast who wants his 360 to look gorgeous all the time. The thing that I was going after with the more expensive waxes was that glowing finish, ...
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Just a reminder; prep is everything. If the finish has defects and contamination a $10 clay bar and $8 bottle of ColorX will leave the car looking better than a $10,000 crystal container of Royale.



-- Surface prep to "make it glow," then the Zymol/Swissol/(your favorite here) to "set it off" and "lock it in."







TheRogue said:
... I'll keep y'all informed, and take plenty of pictures of the results...
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Can't wait to see it! :bigups





PC.
 
I'd like to think I've gotten pretty good at prep. The car is not really swirled, so I may just use the Zymol HD cleanse or at the most aggressive something like Menzerna Final Polish. Should I apply the HD cleanse with my Porter?
 
Apply the HD Cleanse either way. If you have already prepped the car, I would do it by hand. I may be wrong but it adds to the durability. Anyways I use it (sometimes I think it isnt required if you do it after polishing/compounding).



I missed this thread LOL. Here is my better -late-than-not take. I personally have not seen a difference with the Zymol Ital and the concours. Supposedly they have revised the formla - but if you want the origional version (no decerable change imo limited experience) there are many sites that are stocking it for under a $100. I have not tried swissol, but have nearly all of the Zymol Eglazes :) . Destiny/concours would be my choice (for under the $300/400 range). Note though, swissol may be easier to apply based on the little I have read on it.



Also, you have to try the 5050 wax. It really gives the zymol characteristics with the souveran wetness and ease of use at a nice price.
 
There are two versions of Zymol Ital,the 'older' version was comprised of 90%yellow and 10% white carnauba.The 'new' version is 90% white and 10% carnauba sap(taken from the younger pallmeto trees),no yellow.Zymol destiny is comprised of white carnauba,there is no yellow in the formula.Swissol Best of show(Smaragd) is still a blend of yellow and white carnauba,the same as the 'old' concorso.
 
01bluecls said:
LOL-- I think you have been on Accumulator about this for a while now, like white on rice!



Yea Accumulator, even now I going to have the estate glazes in my posession. *PEER PRESSURE!* lol
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Yup perhaps you're right. I don't want to push my luck. Its all in fun though...he a really cool person to deal with.
 
TheRogue said:
So, after reading lbls1's comments, I went back and took a closer look at the Carnauba types in both the Zymol and Swissol waxes. Even though the Swissol Smaragd and the Zymol Destiny have the same Carnauba content by volume (51%), the Swissol seems like it has little or no white (Swissol doesn't list ingredients, just a description), while the Zymol has 90% white, 10% Yellow. So this put me back onto Zymol. After looking at the Zymol vintage, I noticed it is a pairing of White Carnauba and White Sap (whatever that is). The Zymol Ital offers 90% White with 10% Yellow Sap at a 47% volume. Seemed like an interesting route to try, especially since it is cheaper than the Destiny.



To further my leaning in the Zymol Ital direction, I picked up a new jar on ebay for $200. I have already placed my Swissol order, but have sent a couple emails to cancel it. I just may end up with a jar of Swissol Smaragd as well. Ha. I'll keep y'all informed, and take plenty of pictures of the results.



Mike.
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The carnauba consistency will play a big difference, that's why I wanted to double check. At any rate, feel free to try Swissol and compare it with the Zymol, bc the in person results is what tells the story (backed up by good digitial pics). If Swissol's concourso has 51% #1 yellow, then that may be a better match up comparison with the EGZymol Glasur.



Look at it this way, if either one fizzles out, you'll only spend that amount once. But what throws me a little is why Zymol decided to change their make-up on Ital, and of course increase its price substantially.



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I applied HD Cleanse with my pc this year with great results. If you are not swirled up that badly, and if you want to use your pc, then you would do very well with a session of HD Cleanse, and then follow it with a very mild finishing polish.
 
It is a well debated term. The best definition of it is carnauba derived from pale yellow leaves, that has an ivory texture. Zymol's description of the white carnauba material is that their finished product is manufactured from the virgin yellow leaves.
 
I am really surprised that no one mentioned the true and tried Victoria Waxes. Absolutely high end old fashion waxes at respectful, honest prices.



The younger the leaves, the lighter yellow the carnauba. As the leaves age, the wax becomes darker, more greenish. The (basically nonexistent) white carnauba is a heavily filtered/chemically bleached version of the #1 yellow, which is still the highest grade carnauba. Carnauba sap is the actual sap from the very yound leaves, which is not solidified yet.



For white carnauba fetishists I'd recommend the Soft99 Authentic Premium with its "vuajinkurisutaruhowaitokarunaba", aka Virgin Crystal White Carnauba.



Clickin' on Ebay, I've found the absolute last in terms of market niche: "Developed specifically for the demanding operating conditions of Emergency Vehicles. The Glaze protects the superb paint coat of this vehicle while providing brilliant depth of color and shine. Fire and Rescue squads have found Response Glaze to be an effective measure in their preventive maintenance program. Response also helps gives equipment the impressive shine for special events!"



OMG... OMG... Just pitiful.
 
XXX HARD CORE Pure White Carnauba PASTE WAX+Advanced Polymers from CG is 47% carnauba :thx





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Victoria wax how could I forget. I love davids waxes, they are honstly amazing the red councours is the best. I have done some reviews on another thread maybe a search or pm in in order lol.

These waxes are a pleasure to work with, easy on easy off and they honstley leave an wicked shine. The durability is really good as well

i know David used to be the supplier with Zymol and had a falling out (not sure on all the details) and started Victoria waxes. He is the kind of guy who cares about his products. I know he dosent like to do large corporation selling like autogeek becasue he wants his prodcuts to be represented properly and let me tell you it shows in his waxes.

Also the soap is the best soap i have ever used, super slick and nice to work with. Definlty somthing worth giving a shot. (the sampler kit might be and option) I know he recomend the hand application as there are oils and solvetns in the waxes and they solvents are absorbed by the applicator pad so after some waxing there is more or lesss solvent in the wax and the level of carbumba allpied changes

Hope this helps and wow how could I forget WV, there my goto waxes
 
Bence said:
I am really surprised that no one mentioned the true and tried Victoria Waxes. Absolutely high end old fashion waxes at respectful, honest prices.



The younger the leaves, the lighter yellow the carnauba. As the leaves age, the wax becomes darker, more greenish. The (basically nonexistent) white carnauba is a heavily filtered/chemically bleached version of the #1 yellow, which is still the highest grade carnauba. Carnauba sap is the actual sap from the very yound leaves, which is not solidified yet.



For white carnauba fetishists I'd recommend the Soft99 Authentic Premium with its "vuajinkurisutaruhowaitokarunaba", aka Virgin Crystal White Carnauba.



Clickin' on Ebay, I've found the absolute last in terms of market niche: "Developed specifically for the demanding operating conditions of Emergency Vehicles. The Glaze protects the superb paint coat of this vehicle while providing brilliant depth of color and shine. Fire and Rescue squads have found Response Glaze to be an effective measure in their preventive maintenance program. Response also helps gives equipment the impressive shine for special events!"



OMG... OMG... Just pitiful.
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Heh, heh it was David (Victoria Wax) who told me "white carnauba" is a blend of carnauba and paraffin. (Sorry, I meant paraffin, not beeswax in my previous post). So, Bence, you can probably read between the lines. ;)
 
Zymol makes a clear distinction from #1 yellow and white. Bleaching is a popularly believed method of producing the white wax, but it isn't entirely supported as being authentic.



#1 Yellow is graded differently from the pale yellow virgin leaves, as I've observed. This may take a lot more research before a clear answer can be discussed, as this has been an old and well debated topic.
 
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