Products for Red 360 Ferrari? Save me from buying $1100 Zymol Vintage

There is always this one vendor on Ebay selling smaller sample sizes of Zymol for $400 and under. Log on ebay and search on ZYMOL and you will see it.



Don
 
You can order Swissol waxes/products directly from them. I havent found a vendor that carries them. here is the link from their site



https://www.swissol.com/E/US/KontaktBestform.htm



The Scuderia that I used the owner already had and supplied to me for that detail. So I dont know where he got it form. I assume the swissol site. Scuderia is the only one I have used from Swissol. I was thinking about Concorso, but I havent tried it personally. If you are buying a wax exclusively for your 360 modena then just try scuderia, if not then try concorso as you may want to do other vehicles. with it.



Fortunatly I was able to get the Zymol Estate Glaze sampler kit so i think im happy with the waxes I have so far (high end waxes).
 
Somebody had better let Joe(superiorshine) know that the Ferrari's that he's done need different products. I just don't buy that I need another set of products to polish a Ferrari.
 
TheRogue said:
I was told by a very knowledgeable and trustworthy source that the soft PPG paint on Ferrari's required a different level of care. That the polishes, cleaners, glazes, waxes, etc that I had previously used on my Porsches were not optimal for the Ferrari's paint.
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Mike,



Who is this very knowledgeable and trustworthy source?



What are the reasons why polishes, cleaners, glazes, waxes that you had previously used on Porsches are not optimal for the Ferrari's paint?
 
TheRogue,Swissol Smaragd is the new updated version of concorso(concourso),price is the same,just a slight change to the formula for Smaragd(German/swiss for Emerald).
 
I personally think you're buyiing into all of this high end marketing and nonsense because you think the Ferarri is special. So it may have soft/thin paint..big deal...it doesn't need special Gucci waxes for proper prep/protection. I would polish the car with something non abrasive like AIO or a light glaze assuming it's not swirled up etc, and then follow with KSG or a quality carnauba like souveran or your favorite, within the normal realm of lsp's...no I'm not suggesting you go get turtle wax from your local store, but IMO there is no need whatsoever for these crazy expensive designer waxes..
 
Well, these Ferraris came out terrific with #80 and NXT.



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Their paint was on the softer side of average, softer than a lot of new GM cars', harder than a lot of Hondas'.



I'm sure you'll get great results using expensive boutique waxes but there's no reason you need to.





PC.
 
"There isnt a need for high waxes and their prices." This topic about wax pricing goes on and on especially Zymol related threads. If you can afford and want to pay 1100 for wax then by all means we cant tell you how to spend your money. Im sure EVERYONE has something in their home they payed extra for that a cheaper and non brand name equivalent could have sufficed. TO EACH ITS OWN is key! Im sure you can get ferrari performance numbers with a Z06 Vette, why buy the Ferrari...preference. Why are people paying $100,000 for a car that is 30 years old vs buying a brand new car for 10g's preferance. I dont get why people say they dont understand why people want to spend money on high end waxes. Leave it alone! Its their money...I think you guys are a little harsh calling people out who want to try high end waxes.
 
01bluecls said:
Thanks! After working on the Ferrari's and talking with other owners and a Ferrari Technician... Ferrari Paint is definetly different from other paint. It is VERY SOFT and AND VERY THIN! If anyting do mulitple passes with a light polish such as FPII. The F430 I did unfortunately was bad enough to where FPII didnt have enough cut to get rid of the buffer induced swirls it had. I wish I didnt had to resort to using anything more aggresive than FPII but in that certain case I did :(



The Swissol Scuderia is marketed/made for Ferrari paint ad goes for 120 usd roughly. I used it on the 89 Single stage paint 328 and LOVED it. I like it more than Pinnacle Souveran.
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I'm speaking of this. His choice of wax is his choice and I don't really care. Feeding some guys that these cars need special polish however is just misinformation IMHO.
 
I didnt intend to direct my rant to anyone, just a general feedback I get when I read these type of threads.



You have to admit there are some products out there that are designed for certain brands/types of cars. Whether it be detailing or not. Why did Menzerna re-formulate their polishes for 05 and up ceram clear coated Merc's when any polish may do the same. Simple they addressed the need for a polish to adhere to a different type of paint. Im sure Ferrari might have different types of clear and paint process just like the GM's vs my Acura soft clear.



I wouldnt say necesarily Ferrari's NEED "special products", but certain products works better than others just as with any car. Use 4 different polishes on 4 different types of vehicles (brands) and im sure results will vary based on the polish with everything else remaining constant. So would I be wrong saying that 05 Merc's NEED SPECIAL polishes? They might not "need" it, but there are polishes that may be better for it.



ALL THE ABOVE IS JUST MY OPINION!



Cliff notes: Group Hug anyone?!?! :)
 
Buy the entire Zaino line for protection of your investment. Subtract that cost from the $1100 Zymol and send me the difference for reccomending a product that looks great and will actually protect the car for a lot longer than any oily carnauba wax.
 
wannafbody said:
Buy the entire Zaino line for protection of your investment. Subtract that cost from the $1100 Zymol and send me the difference for reccomending a product that looks great and will actually protect the car for a lot longer than any oily carnauba wax.
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Let's not get into product wars, now . . . some folks just prefer carnauba to sealants, whether for looks, the pleasure of applying a paste, or just because they prefer "old-school" to new.



And while I'd personally never spend that kind of money on wax, it's not my money to spend. If indulging in the exotic waxes that are out there scratches someone else's detailing itch, I'm not going to begrudge them that.



Swirl-free peace and love, y'all . . .



Tort
 
Chris, there are polishes designed with certain types of paint in mind but not necessarily the type of car. I have never heard that Ferrari paint is anything special. It may be thin and soft but I have a driveway full of cars like that.:D
 
I totally support people using whatever products make them happy. I don't care how much of their money they spend. A little or a lot, it doesn't matter to me. That's their business and power to them.



But the proposition that kicked off this thread was that Ferrari paint somehow required something different than other finishes. That I disagree with. Ferrari didn't go to PPG and say "Hey, make a paint exclusively for us that's a big PITA."



If TheRogue or his customers find they prefer one product over another that's their call. I just don't think anybody should feel they're going to "harm" the finish or produce "bad" results if they use "normal" high quality products.





PC.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Chris, there are polishes designed with certain types of paint in mind but not necessarily the type of car. I have never heard that Ferrari paint is anything special. It may be thin and soft but I have a driveway full of cars like that.:D
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LOL you just picturing my Acura in your head is putting marring in it as we speak. Sometimes the softer clears are easier to clear up but man they require more attention and upkeep! :(



TortoiseAWD--- "Swirl-free peace and love, y'all . . ." was that an "E-Hug" lol



the other pc-- AMEN! That sums it up.
 
01bluecls said:
LOL you just picturing my Acura in your head is putting marring in it as we speak. Sometimes the softer clears are easier to clear up but man they require more attention and upkeep! :(



TortoiseAWD--- "Swirl-free peace and love, y'all . . ." was that an "E-Hug" lol



the other pc-- AMEN! That sums it up.
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Yep, it's all good!;) I don't mind the upkeep on mine as long as I stay on top of them.
 
the other pc said:
I totally support people using whatever products make them happy. I don't care how much of their money they spend. A little or a lot, it doesn't matter to me. That's their business and power to them.



But the proposition that kicked off this thread was that Ferrari paint somehow required something different than other finishes. That I disagree with. Ferrari didn't go to PPG and say "Hey, make a paint exclusively for us that's a big PITA."



If TheRogue or his customers find they prefer one product over another that's their call. I just don't think anybody should feel they're going to "harm" the finish or produce "bad" results if they use "normal" high quality products.





PC.
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Well, I have no customers. Just a Ferrari enthusiast who wants his 360 to look gorgeous all the time. The thing that I was going after with the more expensive waxes was that glowing finish, but also durability. The Zymol Vintage is supposted to last a hell of a lot longer than say P21S. So, it is almost like getting the protection of a sealant and the finish of a carnauba. Of all the waxes less than $300-400, which do you guys think is the strongest in these two areas?



Thanks for your continued input.

Mike.
 
TheRogue said:
Well, I have no customers. Just a Ferrari enthusiast who wants his 360 to look gorgeous all the time. The thing that I was going after with the more expensive waxes was that glowing finish, but also durability. The Zymol Vintage is supposted to last a hell of a lot longer than say P21S. So, it is almost like getting the protection of a sealant and the finish of a carnauba. Of all the waxes less than $300-400, which do you guys think is the strongest in these two areas?



Thanks for your continued input.

Mike.
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Heh, heh I kinda figured you weren't a "professional detailer" from the start (and that's not meant as a put down!). Anyway, I've used Zymol Concours (or whatever they call it these days) and I liked it a lot. I've also used their "low end" waxes - Carbon etc. - and they don't last at all.



From what I understand (and I could be wrong ;) ) Vintage and the other Zymol "ultra high-end" waxes are basically "beauty waxes", so I wouldn't expect to get a lot of durability from them. But, hey, you own a ultra high-end car so why not spend $1100 on a wax for it? A lot of this high end stuff is in "the eye of the beholder" anyway, so if you love your car and you love taking care of it, I don't see where you could go wrong! And, besides, you get to massage your loved one with Zymol's "hands on" treatment!! :D
 
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