Product Packaging Poll

[4830Deuce]

You make a good point. Any forum like this will attract a lot of people who are either manufacturers or on-sellers of car care products. Most of them do not register as who they really are, but try to influence people to buy their products in very subtle ways. The very last thing they want is someone like me encouraging people to buy sealed products, because that's not in their interests. The more angry they are, the more suspicious it is to me.

totally out of line... a lot of us support companys we believe in... and try to share them with others, thats the whole point of a forum... if we didnt do so... who knows where we would be...



-Justin

 

[Intercooled]

I've never worried about it. But you brought up an interesting point. Example:Say Zaino sealed thier bottles with a clear plastic on top of there bottles. Now there are 2 bottles of Z2 on the shelf at a local store, and one had the plastic seal and the other was missing. I know I would grab the one with the seal.



But since I dont buy many OTC products I trust my internet product providers with the qulity of the merchandise I'm getting.

 

[Shubba]

a lot of us support companys we believe in... and try to share them with others, thats the whole point of a forum... if we didnt do so... who knows where we would be...

Justin, that's why you need to have a good BS detector here. Most people here are genuine people trying to share information, but there's absolutely nothing to stop a smart manufacturer registering and posing as an average guy, or a detailer, and gradually building up liaisons and relationships here, and therefore trust, and then using that to promote their products. There's no way you can stop that happening, and no way to spot it easily or be totally armed against it. Caveat emptor, buyer beware.

 

[Intercooled]

You make a good point. Any forum like this will attract a lot of people who are either manufacturers or on-sellers of car care products. Most of them do not register as who they really are, but try to influence people to buy their products in very subtle ways. The very last thing they want is someone like me encouraging people to buy sealed products, because that's not in their interests. The more angry they are, the more suspicious it is to me.

Now I'm starting to wonder if your not one of those people. Perhaps you own a seal company!! :hm



OK guys its been real. :bolt

 

[Shubba]

I've never worried about it. But you brought up an interesting point. Example:Say Zaino sealed thier bottles with a clear plastic on top of there bottles. Now there are 2 bottles of Z2 on the shelf at a local store, and one had the plastic seal and the other was missing. I know I would grab the one with the seal.

Aah! Someone with some common sense (apparently nothing is as rare as common sense these days).

 

[Shubba]

Now I'm starting to wonder if your not one of those people. Perhaps you own a seal company!! :hm

EXACTLY! That's exactly what you should all be thinking. You're a smart guy, Intercooled. I'm actually not involved in sealing companies, but since this is the internet, you have no way of being sure of that.

 

[imported_COBRyan]

Say Zaino sealed thier bottles with a clear plastic on top of there bottles. Now there are 2 bottles of Z2 on the shelf at a local store, and one had the plastic seal and the other was missing. I know I would grab the one with the seal.

I admit, I would do the same. But assuming that none of the bottles were sealed, I would have purchased it just same without hesitation. Seal or no seal- I'm not going to stop buying the products I enjoy.

 

[imported_Reflections]

I would rather take a risk here and there regarding a consumer product that is unsealed as opposed to going through life worrying about it all the time. Just my 2 cents.

 

[imported_COBRyan]

EXACTLY! That's exactly what you should all be thinking. You're a smart guy, Intercooled. I'm actually not involved in sealing companies, but since this is the internet, you have no way of being sure of that.

In reality, you have no way of being sure of anything in this world, but there is little you can do about it. If you don't trust anyone and feel people are out to get you with your detailing products, maybe you should just make your own :think:

 

[topnotchtouch]

Justin, that's why you need to have a good BS detector here. Most people here are genuine people trying to share information, but there's absolutely nothing to stop a smart manufacturer registering and posing as an average guy, or a detailer, and gradually building up liaisons and relationships here, and therefore trust, and then using that to promote their products. There's no way you can stop that happening, and no way to spot it easily or be totally armed against it. Caveat emptor, buyer beware.

We have already been there, done that. You overestimate how easy it would be for one person secretly representing a manufacturer to join and gain enough influence to make it worth the time and effort. I believe you are already seeing it is no simple task to win friends and influence people here :grinno: I think you need to spend some time searching and reading the archives. You are not pointing anything out that we all aren't already aware of.



Sorry guys, could only hold out so long

 

[Shubba]

I admit, I would do the same. But assuming that none of the bottles were sealed, I would have purchased it just same without hesitation. Seal or no seal- I'm not going to stop buying the products I enjoy.

But here's the key question: if you had two competing products on the shelf in front of you, both polishes (let's say), and one was sealed and the other brand wasn't, would that influence you in any way? If it influences your purchase decision even 5%, it's something manufacturers have to address.

 

[Shubba]

In reality, you have no way of being sure of anything in this world, but there is little you can do about it. If you don't trust anyone and feel people are out to get you with your detailing products, maybe you should just make your own :think:

:LOLOL It's probably easier than you think, and much cheaper than you'd believe!



Example: many of the expensive sealant products on the market are mostly acrylic. I'm an artist and I use acrylic gloss media and matt media all the time. I can buy a gallon of the stuff quite cheaply (acrylic, a simple plastic, is not an intrinsically expensive polymer). I bet some smart guy with a degree in chemistry could come up with a dirt cheap way we could all get a layer of plastic on our cars for pennies.

 

[imported_COBRyan]

But here's the key question: if you had two competing products on the shelf in front of you, both polishes (let's say), and one was sealed and the other brand wasn't, would that influence you in any way? If it influences your purchase decision even 5%, it's something manufacturers have to address.

Not at all. I would buy the product I felt would do the better job. And half the time we don't even know there are seals on products until we get home and use them. Most are under the caps and I doubt people check for them when making the purchase lol. I don't recall a detailing product ever having a seal that was visible just sitting on the shelf.



Some more food for thought- what about quick detailers? Can you name any QD's that have seals on them?

 

[topnotchtouch]

But here's the key question: if you had two competing products on the shelf in front of you, both polishes (let's say), and one was sealed and the other brand wasn't, would that influence you in any way? If it influences your purchase decision even 5%, it's something manufacturers have to address.

I don't even look under the cap so no, it wouldn't influence my decision at all. If there is a problem I would just take the product back and exchange it.



You obviously spend far more time worrying about little things like this than most. Your crusade isn't gonna get you anywhere here, why don't you take it up with the manufacturer that you have the problem with???

 

[Shubba]

Not at all. I would buy the product I felt would do the better job. And half the time we don't even know there are seals on products until we get home and use them. Most are under the caps and I doubt people check for them when making the purchase lol. I don't recall a detailing product ever having a seal that was visible just sitting on the shelf.



Some more food for thought- what about quick detailers? Can you name any QD's that have seals on them?

Bryan, we are very different types of people. I'd DEFINITELY check for seals. I look at everything I buy quite carefully, especially if it costs a lot. I was in a rush yesterday and bought an [unnamed] product that was not sealed, as I said in the other deleted thread. I regretted it immediately.

 

[JeffM]

This has been interesting, but i am still more concerned about my local grocery store re-wrapping meat with new stickers on them.



Ever break open a chunk of hamburg, and the inside was browner than the outside?



This is the deception that is ruining our great country

 

[imported_COBRyan]

Bryan, we are very different types of people. I'd DEFINITELY check for seals. I look at everything I buy quite carefully, especially if it costs a lot.

Does this mean that you refuse to buy a QD because it doesn't have a seal? A QD would seem much easier to dillute with water than a polish/wax. I was at Autozone and Walmart last night, and just happened to open several of the QD's (just to smell them!)- none of which had seals (various brands I might add).

 

[Shubba]

I don't even look under the cap so not, it wouldn't influence my decision at all. If there is a problem I would just take the product back and exchange it.



You obviously spend far more time worrying about little things like this than most. Your crusade isn't gonna get you anywhere here, why don't you take it up with the manufacturer that you have the problem with???

I post one thread and now it's a "crusade"? Come off it.



I'm very happy with the responses to this poll. It vindicates my position. Manufacturers, take note! We demand quality products, sealed for our satisfaction.

 

[Shubba]

Does this mean that you refuse to buy a QD because it doesn't have a seal? A QD would seem much easier to dillute with water than a polish/wax. I was at Autozone and Walmart last night, and just happened to open several of the QD's (just to smell them!)- none of which had seals (various brands I might add).

Yes, I suppose I would not use QD for that reason. It's nice to be able to smell products, but be careful -- it may also be dangerous. Although many of them are carefully formulated to smell natural, like leather, you are better off not quaffing the odors up. They may contain quite toxic chemicals that are odorless. You'll never know. But it may help give you cancer in 20 years!

 

[topnotchtouch]

I post one thread and now it's a "crusade"? Come off it.



I'm very happy with the responses to this poll. It vindicates my position. Manufacturers, take note! We demand quality products, sealed for our satisfaction.

Go back and count how many posts you have made in this thread?



Are we reading the same thread? I think the only consensus here is that you are a crackpot that probably won't last a week here. :nervous: