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raymond_ho2002

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A problem arose when i used vanilla moose.. After I applied product, I noticed that my cotton applicator pad was black. I used a Detailer's Choice cotton applicator pad, which i rubbed and rubbed against a CD and against part of the car's bare finish after washing, neither of which produced any visible scratches. My car is a 2003 black lexus is300 which supposedly is single stage painted without a clearcoat, so I assumed the black was the paint coming off. It has a few layers of zaino topped with s100. I applied VM straight after a wash and dry. I saw hazing where I had applied the product- smudges everywhere on my hood about 3 inches wide, a foot or two long (corresponding to the length of my wipes). They are only visible when the sun directly hits them. They did not come off when i wiped my finger across them. Upon closer inspection i saw that this hazing was made up of fine scratches. The next thing I thought was that maybe I did not clean the car well enough before using the product, and that i had grinded dirt into the paint. I had washed it, but did not use a qd spray before i applied vanilla moose. Could this be my problem? Should I attempt to remove the marks with more vanilla moose after a more thorough washing and qd?
 
Well there could be a few things



I dont think it was the V moose. I use that product as well and it is great.



From what you describe, i am thinking you used too much product, that is was can be causing the hazing. I would suggest to only use a MF next time. You car may not have clear coat, if it is paint code 202 i don't think it has clear.



You may have not cleaned the car well enough to remove all dirt, the dirt then go on the cotton towel which then made hairline marks in the clear.



You may have rubbed way to hard with the product as well.



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this is what i suggest to do

1. rewash car

2. use quick shine or a type of QD



check to see if the marks are gone. if they are not re-apply the VM using the size of a dime per panel. rub side to side not in circles (this is not the karate kid) then wipe right off with a MF.



try it and let me know what happends.

NYD
 
Vanilla moose is a glaze, which means it has slovents to suspend the oils. The solvents on a single stage paint will cause the color to come off on the applicator. It's perfectly normal.
 
This thread has pictures that resemble the type of hazy smears i get:



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=188760#post188760



In this thread the user used SMR and everyone thinks the hazing happened because the product was not broken down enough. Being that VM is a hand glaze, I dont think that insufficient break down is as much of an issue for me.



NY detailer, you mention that its possible that i've used too much product and that it could possibly wash out. I've tried rubbing my finger on the marks, and tried buffing with quikshine, and they dont come out. I'll try your suggestion of applying a smaller amount VM with a folded MF towel next time after a more thorough wash and QD and let you know how it goes.



showroom lincoln: Thanks for the reassurance. =)
 
NY detailer said:
Well there could be a few things

You may have rubbed way to hard with the product as well.



NYD
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This is possible? I thought i'd have to press down some to get scratches removed. About how much weight should i be putting down?
 
94AccordSedanEX said:
A 2003 Lexus with no clearcoat? I thought all new car's come with clearcoated finishes.
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Yeah, that's crazy IMO! If someone at the dealership told me that my expensive, cutting edge luxury car still came with single stage paint I'd probably just stare at him like so: :eek:



Raymond, I haven't used VM, but I'd say "firm", even pressure should usually be enough. Don't really bear down on it, but don't be too light either. Like 5-8 lbs? I dunno, I'm bad at guestimating weight. :p
 
Ok, Brian, I'll try that. :)



What's strange is that I didnt have this problem with meg #9, which I'd assume is more abrasive. Maybe I really didnt clean it well enough to begin with. I am getting those dreaded halo's around where the sun shines off it, hopefully I can get them off. =/
 
94AccordSedanEX said:
A 2003 Lexus with no clearcoat? I thought all new car's come with clearcoated finishes.
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Not really. I know that Lexus is one where their non-metallics are not cleared. Several other manufacturers also do not clear their flat paints either. I just can't remember them right now. But I know for a fact that the IS300 flat paints don't have clears.
 
Just got off the phone with my local Lexus dealer. This problem that Raymond reported had me very curious indeed. I was told by the Lexus dealer that it is true. No clearcoat on the 03 Lexus BUT ONLY the black paint. I asked why? I was told that the Lexus black paint, if clear coated, would exhibit spider webbing or cracking. The Lexus salesperson told me that the person may have rubbed the polish/glaze way too hard, especially if black paint was on his towel or the polish/glaze was not meant for non-clearcoat finishes or the polish/glaze was too aggressive.



WOW!
 
jmsc said:
Just got off the phone with my local Lexus dealer. This problem that Raymond reported had me very curious indeed. I was told by the Lexus dealer that it is true. No clearcoat on the 03 Lexus BUT ONLY the black paint. I asked why? I was told that the Lexus black paint, if clear coated, would exhibit spider webbing or cracking. The Lexus salesperson told me that the person may have rubbed the polish/glaze way too hard, especially if black paint was on his towel or the polish/glaze was not meant for non-clearcoat finishes or the polish/glaze was too aggressive.



WOW!
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wow.. That doesnt sound good. Thanks for calling, by the way.



So do i go ahead and reapply vanilla moose with less pressure to get rid of the swirls i put on? Or should i go back to #9 to polish, wax with s100 and call it a day?
 
raymond_ho2002 said:
wow.. That doesnt sound good. Thanks for calling, by the way.



So do i go ahead and reapply vanilla moose with less pressure to get rid of the swirls i put on? Or should i go back to #9 to polish, wax with s100 and call it a day?
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use the VM again with less pressure
 
Allow me to go off subject here, but your saying your brand new Lexus doesn't have clear coat?



How do they get the car to shine like that then, I always thought straight up paint was dull and flat looking.
 
Originally posted by joed1228

How do they get the car to shine like that then, I always thought straight up paint was dull and flat looking.
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If you were to go back 20 years and mentioned clearcoat, people would have thought you were talking about those clear vinyl rain coats. :D
 
joed1228 said:
Allow me to go off subject here, but your saying your brand new Lexus doesn't have clear coat?



How do they get the car to shine like that then, I always thought straight up paint was dull and flat looking.
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I used to believe they had a clearcoat, but sooner or later those that do eventually find that they don't. =( Mostly this is through experimenting with some type of cleaner or other abrasive. Interestingly, though, no color comes off my is300 with meg's #9.



I have no idea how it shines the way it does. Earlier this afternoon, though, i was playing around with my friend's father's old biege truck.. ~20 years old, and oxidized to hell. Used some #9, VM, and s100 on a small section and, jesus, you'd swear someone repainted that spot and glossed it over. Something about auto paints that have an intrinsic shiny property, i suppose.
 
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