Pro`s & Con`s of PPF on new White Macan

IXLRS- Sorry to be inscrutable, LSP= Last Step Product..i.e., your wax or sealant.

With your plan to keep it a good long time, I`d focus on the long-term. To me, that means not marring the paint (can only correct it so many times, and it`s not all that many) and protecting it. It`s pretty amazing how poorly/well some LSPs do that protecting! If a bird-bomb or bug guts etch your paint, you`ll be sorry, so I`d focus on maximum protection. White looks good as long as it`s clean and shiny and in a few years it`ll be *all* about how well you`ve protected it, not about how swell your chosen wax looks.

I *STRONGLY* encourage you to *NOT* do the glaze/sealant/wax combo thing. Just pick one product (which I`d choose based on functional considerations) and put your efforts into getting your wash squared away so you don`t just mar it up. Seriously, washing a vehicle without marring the paint is extremely challenging and all that "combining different products" is, IMO...[bunk].

Much as I can appreciate Klasse Sealant Glaze ("KSG"), which is a sealant rather than a glaze, I don`t think you`ll like it and most people find it less user-friendly than I do. Note that IME it`s only worth using if you`re doing at least 4 layers (spaced 24 hrs. apart). Though it looks fairly decent on white, I`d choose something else for your Macan. (Not hating on it, I still use it on three specific things on one vehicle.)

OK, yeah..[REPEAT FK1000P or Collinite 845 suggestions]. IMO you`re best served by something that, with only one or two coats... lasts a long time, protects the paint from etching, cleans up easily, and is reasonably user-friendly.

Be careful with the Meguiar`s Last Touch as it`s caused LSP issues for others, various LSPs don`t last in combination with it.

I used *gallons* of SpeedShine over the years, and I don`t mean just five or eight, and ended up giving away my last gallon as with all the better alternatives I`d never have used it. Heh heh, nah...not suggesting you toss it, but check out the next paragraph for future consideration ;)

FWIW, and noting that I still have maybe 6-8 gallons of good Quick Detailers on the shelf, ever since I tried Garry Dean`s Infinite Use Detail Juice ("IUDJ", marketed primarily as a rinseless wash), I`ve done best using *that* as my Quick Detailer/Drying Aid/etc. Incredible to me still, never thought I`d even *like* it as I`m not a fan of Rinseless Washes, but it`s *that* good and 100% compatible with FK1000P. Mixed to QD-strength, it simply does everything better than my other QDs. Cheap too.

Trim Dresssings- I never touch the stuff. If I want to overkill it, I seal my trim with Ultima Tire & Trim Guard Plus and just maintain it with either the IUDJ or a Spray Wax like Optimum Car Wax (good UV protection! Great for plastics like lenses and trim) or Meguiar`s D156/Ultimate Quik Wax. That Spray Wax approach works pretty well all by itself, but I`d do the UTTG+ (that long-term perspective again). It`s very user-friendly, but I do prep the surfaces with Griot`s Rubber Prep first.

Only thing I dress is the tires and that`s a personal preference application, not sure what you`d like. Whatever you choose, use it sparingly and buff off any excess with an old MF (microfiber towel) lest you get "sling".

And, while it`s easy for us to spend your money ;) ...the last time I had some PPF done (by a member here), it cost* more than $2K, though I can`t recall just how much after all this time (it was that pricey maybe a decade ago, but if you pick the right/wrong guy, ya get what ya pay for...for better or worse).

Oh, and white is a tricky color to inspect in some ways...be sure you have good Inspection Lighting. That`s good, because minor flaws don`t look as awful as on black, but it`s bad too, because it`s hard to see what`s-what when you want to but, sigh,....we all see the flaws clearly *later* when we thought it was OK.

And finally, some general advice (which you probably don`t need, but anyhow..) : apply Critical Thinking Skills to this Detailing stuff just as you would to some, uhm...serious topic. Don`t worry about overthinking it! E.g., somebody says "[whatever] product is good/bad", OK....WHY?!? Clearly, explicitly, objectively, WHY? Think think think..
 
IXLRS- Sorry to be inscrutable, LSP= Last Step Product..i.e., your wax or sealant.

With your plan to keep it a good long time, I`d focus on the long-term. To me, that means not marring the paint (can only correct it so many times, and it`s not all that many) and protecting it. It`s pretty amazing how poorly/well some LSPs do that protecting! If a bird-bomb or bug guts etch your paint, you`ll be sorry, so I`d focus on maximum protection. White looks good as long as it`s clean and shiny and in a few years it`ll be *all* about how well you`ve protected it, not about how swell your chosen wax looks.

Agree. I`m going the 3 bucket route. Trying the Microfiber Madness Incredipad XL and the CG`s microfiber mitt and plenty of high-end microfiber drying towels. Also picked up one of those Adams Sidekick Blaster for those hard to get areas. B)
I *STRONGLY* encourage you to *NOT* do the glaze/sealant/wax combo thing. Just pick one product (which I`d choose based on functional considerations) and put your efforts into getting your wash squared away so you don`t just mar it up. Seriously, washing a vehicle without marring the paint is extremely challenging and all that "combining different products" is, IMO...[bunk].

Interesting... but I`m going to try the full detail as outlined this time around. In the future I may decide not to glaze or seal. The seal step is using CB Jet Seal - not really a "coating" per say or anything too fancy. The only way to know if my plan works is to give it a try. I`m not using super high priced products but hopefully good products from the likes of Chemical Guys, Griots Garage (bought both their 6" and 3" DA and some of there exterior and interior products), Gyeon, Adams, Meguiars, Zymols, Collinite and now FK1000P.

Much as I can appreciate Klasse Sealant Glaze ("KSG"), which is a sealant rather than a glaze, I don`t think you`ll like it and most people find it less user-friendly than I do. Note that IME it`s only worth using if you`re doing at least 4 layers (spaced 24 hrs. apart). Though it looks fairly decent on white, I`d choose something else for your Macan. (Not hating on it, I still use it on three specific things on one vehicle.)

OK, yeah..[REPEAT FK1000P or Collinite 845 suggestions]. IMO you`re best served by something that, with only one or two coats... lasts a long time, protects the paint from etching, cleans up easily, and is reasonably user-friend

I`ll take you up on that. My plan is if I decide to go with PPF I`ll put the FK1000P on the film by hand. I think this as you say would work really good for the Macan hood that is exposed so much. I`ll mostly likely try one of my other waxes for the rest of the car (got to use them up!)

Be careful with the Meguiar`s Last Touch as it`s caused LSP issues for others, various LSPs don`t last in combination with it.

Good to know. My favorite detailer uses it with Collinite 845 all the time, so I know that combo works well.

I used *gallons* of SpeedShine over the years, and I don`t mean just five or eight, and ended up giving away my last gallon as with all the better alternatives I`d never have used it. Heh heh, nah...not suggesting you toss it, but check out the next paragraph for future consideration ;)

FWIW, and noting that I still have maybe 6-8 gallons of good Quick Detailers on the shelf, ever since I tried Garry Dean`s Infinite Use Detail Juice ("IUDJ", marketed primarily as a rinseless wash), I`ve done best using *that* as my Quick Detailer/Drying Aid/etc. Incredible to me still, never thought I`d even *like* it as I`m not a fan of Rinseless Washes, but it`s *that* good and 100% compatible with FK1000P. Mixed to QD-strength, it simply does everything better than my other QDs. Cheap too.

Trim Dresssings- I never touch the stuff. If I want to overkill it, I seal my trim with Ultima Tire & Trim Guard Plus and just maintain it with either the IUDJ or a Spray Wax like Optimum Car Wax (good UV protection! Great for plastics like lenses and trim) or Meguiar`s D156/Ultimate Quik Wax. That Spray Wax approach works pretty well all by itself, but I`d do the UTTG+ (that long-term perspective again). It`s very user-friendly, but I do prep the surfaces with Griot`s Rubber Prep first.

Only thing I dress is the tires and that`s a personal preference application, not sure what you`d like. Whatever you choose, use it sparingly and buff off any excess with an old MF (microfiber towel) lest you get "sling".

I have Griots Wheel Cleaner and CG`s Diablo Wheel Cleaner. Zymol, CG Speed Shine Dressing

And, while it`s easy for us to spend your money ;) ...the last time I had some PPF done (by a member here), it cost* more than $2K, though I can`t recall just how much after all this time (it was that pricey maybe a decade ago, but if you pick the right/wrong guy, ya get what ya pay for...for better or worse).

I think I`ve picked the right shop, we`ll see....

Oh, and white is a tricky color to inspect in some ways...be sure you have good Inspection Lighting. That`s good, because minor flaws don`t look as awful as on black, but it`s bad too, because it`s hard to see what`s-what when you want to but, sigh,....we all see the flaws clearly *later* when we thought it was OK.

Great point, I was concerned about that also. I picked up the Adams Swirl Finder Flashlight. Perfect!


And finally, some general advice (which you probably don`t need, but anyhow..) : apply Critical Thinking Skills to this Detailing stuff just as you would to some, uhm...serious topic. Don`t worry about overthinking it! E.g., somebody says "[whatever] product is good/bad", OK....WHY?!? Clearly, explicitly, objectively, WHY? Think think think..

Yea, opinions along are interesting but opinions based on experience is where it`s at!
 
IXLRS said:
My plan is if I decide to go with PPF I`ll put the FK1000P on the film by hand. I think this as you say would work really good for the Macan hood that is exposed so much. I`ll mostly likely try one of my other waxes for the rest of the car (got to use them up!)

Using the FK1000P and other LSPs (on different panels) oughta make for some interesting comparisons.

IMO the "high priced products" aren`t always worth the added expense, especially when it comes to detailing chemicals. Other factors almost always make the big differences.

If anything doesn`t go as planned, don`t hesitate to ask what`s up; most anything imaginable has been dealt with by somebody here.

Hope you post back about how things go.

Oh, and when you use that swirl-finder light, try to minimize/eliminate any other light. Point-source illumination in an otherwise dark environment is invariable best for seeing marring, though white can be funny compared to other colors so just see what helps *you* see flaws the best.
 
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Yellowing - I heard that Xpel is thicker then the Suntec film and not as optically clear (could be BS). The Xpel installer charges over 2K for a full hood, bumpers, mirrors, ect, no thank you.

This is correct, I have both on my cars. Xpel ultimate is thicker and the orange peel is far more visible. I would personally go with Suntek, I`m not that impressed with the healing properties of Xpel compared to suntek. The funny part is the Suntek is on the daily (Parked outside) and the Xpel is on the weekend toy (Garage kept).
 
I have a white car with ppf. Had 3m venture shield it was ok. Then 3m scotch guard since 2011. I just replaced it with xpel ultimate. Do it. It protects yoUr paint and looks great. Yes it’s
Expensive but so it everythig worth while. I’ll get some of my money back on resale on the condition of my paint.
 
Given the pros & con`s I`m going ahead with the Suntec Ultra film. I was quoted $1,500 for the full hood, mirrors, bumper, door edges, not sure about door cups. I`m going to get a price to do the part along the bottom when you open the door (what`s that called?). He said he would also throw film over the rear hatch (to avoid, marks from loading stuff in the trunk). Plus he`ll give me a 150 off the Suntec CRI tint job also :)

The Macan hood is too wide to fit most of the common brand films (this may be also the case with lesser know films). Xpeal discourages stretching the film to fit. Others on the web have said that it affects the self healing properties when the film gets stretched and you can see stretch marks (!). Not sure if this is true. Other have said the stretch marks are barely noticeable you would have to look real hard to find them.
The shop I like said they can attempt to stretch the film (might be easier with Suntec since it`s thinner than Xpel as long as I`m willing to pay for part of the cost of the wasted film and labor if it proves unsuccessful). I`m inclined to have them moderately stretch the film but still end up with 3 pc`s. Here is an example from a post on macanforums...

"Here are a few shots provided by a local installer. He stretches the material as much as he can, but stops before stretch marks occur.

As you can see, as a result of the moderate stretching that he does, the two pieces that must be seamed are smaller than what is shown in the Xpel PDF diagram."

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Here is another example different car same 3 pc full hood...
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I have a white car with ppf. Had 3m venture shield it was ok. Then 3m scotch guard since 2011. I just replaced it with xpel ultimate. Do it. It protects yoUr paint and looks great. Yes it’s
Expensive but so it everything worth while. I’ll get some of my money back on resale on the condition of my paint.
 

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Took delivery of my Macan yesterday! What a beautiful car. I`m going to start on my detail tomorrow, beginning with a foam bath & iron decontamination.

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IXLRS- Congrats on delivery! That *is* one nice looking vehicle all right. I like how all the, uhm....black trim doodads...look like they`ll be easy to keep detailed (compared to, say...the trim on the related Audis).
 
Decided to go ahead with PPF full hood, front bumper, door edges, door cups, mirrors and rear bumper. Waiting patiently for delivery. Fingers crossed....
 
Very nice looking Porsche.

Your garage looks nice as well. I like all those windows and the nice recessed lighting. That looks like a great place to polish with all the natural lighting.
 
Thank-you. The new garage was a dream of my wife & I. It`s so nice to be able to park your car under cover and away from the elements and rain. Very happy how it turned out, many sleepless nights.

Washing station next to garage :)

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Very nice looking Porsche.

Your garage looks nice as well. I like all those windows and the nice recessed lighting. That looks like a great place to polish with all the natural lighting.
 

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After a full day and into the night I got my Macan back last night and my ppf and tint turned out amazing! The installer I was told is one of the best in the state and if anyone can do the full hood successfully it was him. He pulled through, full hood no seems, looks fantastic! I’ll post more info someplace on this forum.
 
Off topic or on topic, but for those pro`s who know, where does one buy the Good PPF film for sale prices like when ACC/AGO has a sale. I have purchased film off Ebay and per ft...it`s not exactly cheap. Getting Jack Frost post bomgenesis spring fever already, but I just put on new poly skid shoes on the snowblower, and in looking at it, I want to remove the old PPF off my snowblower and rewrap it again.
 
I would contact them direct, I`d strongly advise you go direct especially because of warranty issues.

OT, I kep hearing great things about Stek and Prestige.
 
Here are some pix`s of my Macan`s new PPF. Looks very nice. Put two coats of FK1000p on all the PPF surfaces by hand (hood, front & back bumpers, mirrors). I like the result B)

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IXLRS- While I`m always saying that I don`t put much credence in internet pix of vehicles, that sure does look nice and I bet it`s great IRL. I`ll be *VERY* interested to hear how the FK1000P lasts for you, the YMMV thing seems to be all over the map in that regard. As soon as you notice some kind of change (beading or slickness or the "self-cleaning in rain" will probably diminish first), I`d get another coat on so you don`t have to do a Big Job.
 
IXLRS- While I`m always saying that I don`t put much credence in internet pix of vehicles, that sure does look nice and I bet it`s great IRL. I`ll be *VERY* interested to hear how the FK1000P lasts for you, the YMMV thing seems to be all over the map in that regard. As soon as you notice some kind of change (beading or slickness or the "self-cleaning in rain" will probably diminish first), I`d get another coat on so you don`t have to do a Big Job.

Agree with all that, especially about how long sealants in this case FK1000P will last, but keeping your car garaged will go a very long way to protecting anything - wax, sealant or coating. And your garage - incredible and neat/clean beyond words.
 
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