Press Release about Teflon NOT bonding to paint?

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Lumadar

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Hey guys and gals,



I know for a fact that I saw a press release at some point from DuPont that cleared up the fact that Teflon can not possibly bond to automotive finishes (due to the fact it requires 700+ degree heat).



Does anyone have a link, or an idea where I can find it? I tried searching here and google briefly with no luck.



Thanks!
 
Holden_C04 said:
It's common knowledge isn't it?
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Laugh, one would think, right?



I just spent an hour looking through local Craigslist ads from "detailers" and 3 out of 4 of them listed a Teflon coating as their biggest sell. :rofl



I am actually doing an extensive project/presentation about my detailing company to some investors (for a management class at SDSU) and I wanted to find that for part of my presentation.



:xyxthumbs
 
Lumadar said:
Laugh, one would think, right?



I just spent an hour looking through local Craigslist ads from "detailers" and 3 out of 4 of them listed a Teflon coating as their biggest sell. :rofl



I am actually doing an extensive project/presentation about my detailing company to some investors (for a management class at SDSU) and I wanted to find that for part of my presentation.



:xyxthumbs
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Ah, I see. Well...



(In my best Jeremy Clarkson impression)



I went on the internet and I found this:



Teflon.jpg
 
Hmm, found this website: Teflon Based waxes and Sealants



Quote from their website, "Even if it was possible to bond Teflon to the vehicle paint, Teflon would give a dull, flat appearance on the vehicle’s surface, since it is a dull product. So if a large enough quantity is used to “protect� the paint, the paint will, in fact appear dull, this makes the entire procedure all but useless.



Even the manufacturer of Teflon does not recommend using it as a car wax additive. DuPont Chemicals (The producer of Teflon®) has stated: “The addition of a Teflon® Fluor polymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax. We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon® is beneficial in car waxes.â€�



Sounds like DuPont is flip-flopping for financial gain reasons. Maybe they should go into politics, lol.



**Ah hah! I found some more stuff, from Autopia actually, "Stay away from teflon....it has no functionality in car waxes or sealants......take a look at this--->



To point to some concrete evidence regarding Teflon. This comes from Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine,

January, 1989, page 110.



A direct quote:



My conclusion is based on the information I have gathered in the past year from representatives, lab technicians and chemists

from many leading car care product companies, including DuPont, the maker of Teflon. According to G.R. Ansul of DuPont's

Car Care Products Division, "The addition of a Teflon fluoropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax.

We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon fluorpolymer resins is beneficial in car waxes, and we have not seen data

from other people that supports this position."

Ansul also notes that, "Unless Teflon is applied at 700 degrees F (371 degrees C), it is not a viable ingredient, and it is 100

percent useless in protecting the paint's finish." - DetailKing, Senior Moderator.



That settles that. :heelclick
 
As time passes and the more I learn about detailing the more I appreciate mostly natural products over synthetic when it comes to preserving a car's finish.
 
DNC said:
As time passes and the more I learn about detailing the more I appreciate mostly natural products over synthetic when it comes to preserving a car's finish.
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I don't agree. At this point, sealants are much more durable than *most* waxes. Really, most waxes disappear in about one month, depending on conditions (garaged, weather, km's etc). The only exception is Collinite which is a wax that equals the durability of sealants.



The only aspect of protection that favours waxes, is their tendency to provide a thicker coating and resist water-spotting better.
 
Black240SX said:
Not really. The item you quoted is old and they have subsequently found a way to make Teflon stick to cars.
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Then it wouldn't be Teflon anymore :grinno:



Teflon (as we commonly refer to it) inherently has particular properties that make Teflon what it is. One of those qualities is the way it bonds (or doesn't) to surfaces- which is the main (sole?) reason Teflon is so amazing. That same property makes it impossible to have Teflon bond to paint. You can put some modified version of Teflon in a wax product, but you are then removing the entire point of using Teflon in the first place :nixweiss







Does anyone have any links that explain how Teflon DOES bond to paint? :idea
 
Slickery said:
Wax doesn't bond to paint, it sits on top of it. Wax uses solvent to dry on surface.
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Carnauba wax is hard as concrete and the solvents are used to soften the wax which allow it to be applied to automotive paint. During the curing process, these solvents evaporate.



If that's not bonding, I'm not really sure what is.
 
Teflon is a super fine power that is mixed in the wax . It only as good as the wax or sealant that its mixed with, because the wax or sealant is the binder.
 
Slickery said:
Wax doesn't bond to paint, it sits on top of it. Wax uses solvent to dry on surface.
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Holden_C04 said:
Carnauba wax is hard as concrete and the solvents are used to soften the wax which allow it to be applied to automotive paint. During the curing process, these solvents evaporate.



If that's not bonding, I'm not really sure what is.
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It is true that wax doesn't chemically bond to paint as a polymer sealant would (could). However, this is not that same as stating that wax doesn't bond to paint. It just does so differently. I'm no chemist but there must be some sort of intermolecular attractions between the components of the wax and the automotive finish. Otherwise the wax would slough off.
 
Dupont owns the name, but the "teflon" that is in their auto polish is not the same "teflon" that coats pots and pans. I tried Dupont "Teflon Ultra Car Wax" (silver container - not black) two years ago. I used it as my lsp on half the car, and Megs #26 on the other half. #26 had a deeper shine, but both halves had the same durability, and beaded the same after a Cleveland winter. Neither beaded as well as any Collinite product after a Cleveland winter. I reported this on a thread back when I did this test.
 
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