Presoak for rinseless wash?

top189h

top189h

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I had been using 3D orange degreaser for rinseless jobs when there was a build up of bugs and grime that a regular rinseless presoak won`t take care of. I`m running low and want to find something that doesn`t leave a soapy residue. I was thinking P21S t.a.w. anyone recommend anything else? I searched for prior threads and kept getting weird pop ups and redirects so I went to the store and most exterior cleaners say rinse with a heavy stream of water.
 
I just lay wet towels down on the bugs, Gary Dean style and let them sit while I wash the rest of the car. Come back to the front as the last part. They always come off with little to no effort. Only gotcha is the trick doesn’t work on cars with very flat fronts.
 
What do you wet the towels with? I used to try soaking them in IUDJ and it didn`t do much for me so I abandoned it.
 
Optimum Power Clean (which I love for greasy messes) always required rinsing for me.

top189h- I gather you`re doing cars for others, where you have no control over stuff like the LSP. Just mentioning it as I`ve found that different LSPs release bugs/etc. differently. Noting that different people will be dealing with different bugs, with FK1000P as my LSP I simply don`t worry about them, they wash right off and have never etched through that stuff.

What about using a "Bug Remover" product? The one I use on my wife`s car (which does *not* currently wear the Fk1000P) is the old 1Z Anti-Insekt, and/but I bet NextZett has a version out now. I thought about BugSquash but I gather it`s hard on LSPs.

What about using a very gentle clay on them? Yeah, you gotta be careful, but that`s as much as I`ve ever had to do for bugs and unless they`ve already eaten through the LSP I can usually do it gently enough that reLSPing isn`t necessary.
 
When pretreating/etc. a vertical panel, I prop something against it to hold the [product-saturated material] against the surface.
 
I assume when I come in from a long interstate trip and the front end is full of bugs, that my LSP is going to be gone by the time I get all the bugs off. What I do depends on how many bugs are on there. Some steps I have taken:

-sometimes do a car wash wand rinse first,
-presoak the front end with car Pro Ech20
-rinseless and a fine nanoskin sponge
-lay on some extremely hot towels for five minutes,
-sometimes I use poor boys bug squash if it’s a heavy load of love bugs down here in Florida, etc.

Then I do a normal rinseless and reapply LSP.
 
glen e said:
I assume when I come in from a long interstate trip and the front end is full of bugs, that my LSP is going to be gone by the time I get all the bugs off..
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That`d drive me nuts! I do note that you`re in FLA, and I hear the bug situation down there is really something.
 
It is for other jobs, most of which the protection on is shot. Thank you for all of the responses. I think I may try some Poorboy`s, I love everything I`ve tried from them. I was thinking about opc from what I saw on rag company videos but I was thinking it would have a residue as well. I tried Meg`s apc once and that was a disaster. Once I ran out of APC+ I just started buying every rinseless wash that seemed to have good reviews to try and find the strongest cleaning ones. Most of them do really well, it`s just bugs that stick with everyone I`ve tried even at really strong dilutions.
 
top189h- I bet either the 1Z/NextZett stuff or Bug Squash would be the best bet. While they need some kind of rinsing, I`d be pretty surprised if the RW didn`w suffice.
 
Dan said:
I just lay wet towels down on the bugs, Gary Dean style and let them sit while I wash the rest of the car. Come back to the front as the last part. They always come off with little to no effort. Only gotcha is the trick doesn’t work on cars with very flat fronts.
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I do this as well, and have found that thinner towels work best. I prepare my wash bucket, and load them up there. Let them sit for 5-10 mintues, and even love bugs can be handled without too much scrubbing.
 
bcgreen said:
What about using WD40?
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For what? I`ve never used WD40 on anything automotive, the stuff it leaves behind isn`t something I want on my vehicles. If I use WD40 I`ll have to use something else afterwards to deal with *that* residue, and then reLSP (which I generally try to avoid).

Actually, I don`t think I`ve used WD40 for anything in the last few decades.."water dispersal" just isn`t something I need very often.
I didn`t know Fk1000p can be used as a LSP, I have been applying it as a wax.
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It is a (synthetic) wax, hence my use of it as a Last Step Product.

Hey, hold on...did I just get punked (or whatever they call it)?!? I mean..WD40 for bugs instead of just washing them off..."wax" not being a "Last Step Product"?
 
Accumulator said:
For what? I`ve never used WD40 on anything automotive, the stuff it leaves behind isn`t something I want on my vehicles. If I use WD40 I`ll have to use something else afterwards to deal with *that* residue, and then reLSP (which I generally try to avoid).

Actually, I don`t think I`ve used WD40 for anything in the last few decades.."water dispersal" just isn`t something I need very often.
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I find it is pretty safe for paint. I use it as chain lube for bicycles and motorcycles. Despite the strong warnings about its poor lubricating properties (I don`t doubt them), it seems like a very effective way to keep a chain working for a long time. In fact I seem to get as much, if not more chain life than friends that are meticulous about using some other product. I think most of that is from the fact that it does not keep dirt, but rather sheds it.

I`ve also noticed that it has no effect, even on rather poor quality(when compared to car paint) finishes.

Last but not least, it is my go to for removing grease stains in fabric. It breaks the grease down and makes it easy to remove. Follow with an old school hand cleaner like go-jo to remove the WD40 and then some APC to remove the go-jo.
 
Dan- Not doubting that it works OK, I just use other stuff. If I dealt with bike/etc. chains I don`t know what I`d use, but the WD40 is too light for my garage-opener chains, too likely to make a mess even after wiping. Guess it`s not one of my challenges as I`ve never had to replace a chain in my life (chainSAW chains excepted).

Heh heh, no way would I do a three-stage grease removal on fabric though, but then that`s not something I deal with either.

If nothing else, you`re reminding me to count my lucky stars that I don`t have to deal with some stuff!

I just don`t see why I`d ever use it on autopaint..what would it replace? Doesn`t it leave something behind that has to be cleaned off? The last time I used it (on a steel machinist`s ruler), it left a film that I wouldn`t want on my cars.

I know some people simply hate on WD40, and I don`t, but it`s never been *the* product that I`ve felt was right for a given job. Never that I can think of...now just watch something come up tomorrow that *does* have me reaching for it! That`d just figure :D

EDIT: Doesn`t some APC like OPC remove grease all by itself, requiring only rinsing? It`s been forever, but I think that`s what I used the last time I had grease on a fabric...
 
Just saw these at Wal Mart the other day; Stoner Bug Eraser wipes. Judging by the review below, the product seems to be pretty effective and perfect for a rinseless wash application.

 
Accumulator said:
For what? I`ve never used WD40 on anything automotive, the stuff it leaves behind isn`t something I want on my vehicles. If I use WD40 I`ll have to use something else afterwards to deal with *that* residue, and then reLSP (which I generally try to avoid).

Actually, I don`t think I`ve used WD40 for anything in the last few decades.."water dispersal" just isn`t something I need very often.


It is a (synthetic) wax, hence my use of it as a Last Step Product.

Hey, hold on...did I just get punked (or whatever they call it)?!? I mean..WD40 for bugs instead of just washing them off..."wax" not being a "Last Step Product"?
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Great for removing tree sap so I thought it should be okay for bugs. Just back from a trip with a mess on the front of my vehicle so I didn`t take my own advice. I just laid to large microfiber towels over the fro t of the vehicle and will let it sit overnight so I firmly believe all those bugs will just melt away.
I deleted my post because of how bad I felt as I have been thinking LSP is last step polish.
Hey wheres me jacket?
 
bcgreen- Heh heh, thanks for clearing up that "LSP" confusion!

I guess I just never think of reaching for WD40 for automotive stuff. The only times I`ve had tree sap I just did a little light claying of the more tenacious bits. I was disappointed that I had to redo the LSP, shows how spoiled I am.

What was on the MFs you kept on it overnight?

SNP209- I`d sure give those wipes a thorough testing before using them and I`d consider how potential downsides would compare to other methods.

[Accumulator bites tongue to avoid being a jerk]

To put it politely, the video you linked wouldn`t sway me one iota, at least not in a positive way. Now if the vehicle is gonna be redone in a big way anyhow, that could be different and then they might be perfectly OK if a Chemical Decontamination isn`t possible (as with the RW/WW approach you mentioned).
 
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