I don't have facts or figures or anything, but in my G35 (which I consider a fairly high performance engine w/ 260HP), I have used mostly regular during the car's life without much fuss. Now that the car is getting older and with 70K+ miles, it is running much better on premium and very noticable for this engine. With regular, I hear all kinds of ungodly knocking and pinging sounds and throttle response isn't too good. With 93 octane, there is significantly less pinging/knocking, and I've noticed that "instant" throttle response is *much* better than with 87 octane. For instance, I notice this most often when at highway speeds. With 87, if I floor it to pass, the car is just kinda sluggish and doesn't want to rocket forward. When I run 93, the car responds much quicker and power seems to be greater, i.e. seems to have greater pull and seat of the pants feel. Hard to explain, but after comparing the two, it was very noticable, and I don't think it is all in my head. I can hear that the engine is performing better with 93 and I can feel it too. So, my conclusion is that if your car is designed for premium, run it!! It's not gonna kill anyone to spend the extra $3-4 per fillup for the premium vs regular, and your car will thank you too!
Premium gas? Facts & Myths
- Thread starter JaCkaL829
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I would guess that the only cars that really needed Premium fuel would be the some of the high compression big block American V8 engines.
From my personal experience the difference is in how you drive.
If you never put the engine under any pressure, regular is OK, however if you are going for performance, Premium does make a difference.
Cars that require premium will accelerate faster, run smoother and quieter with premium fuel.
Pre ignition which is the cause of the knocking sound in a engine under a strain, does not happen while using premium fuel. This pre ignition reduces power and fuel mileage.
If the car does not call for it, consider yourself lucky.
From my personal experience the difference is in how you drive.
If you never put the engine under any pressure, regular is OK, however if you are going for performance, Premium does make a difference.
Cars that require premium will accelerate faster, run smoother and quieter with premium fuel.
Pre ignition which is the cause of the knocking sound in a engine under a strain, does not happen while using premium fuel. This pre ignition reduces power and fuel mileage.
If the car does not call for it, consider yourself lucky.
steelwind101
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It seems like in the USA you have fuels with much lower octane ratings then we do in UK. You can easily find fuel with an octane rating of 99 on supermarket forecourts.
With in certain parameters you will find engines adjust for inconsistancy etc. I have also noted however, in the USA many EU cars and even Japanese engines have less out put then they do on the same UK or European model.
I think many companies take the fuel issue in to account and seem to tune engines/ecu's accordingly.
There are a few which i have seen where its the same power and they do stress, "premium fuel only" during my visits to the USA.
Geoff
With in certain parameters you will find engines adjust for inconsistancy etc. I have also noted however, in the USA many EU cars and even Japanese engines have less out put then they do on the same UK or European model.
I think many companies take the fuel issue in to account and seem to tune engines/ecu's accordingly.
There are a few which i have seen where its the same power and they do stress, "premium fuel only" during my visits to the USA.
Geoff
topnotchtouch
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steelwind101 said:
In the US we use an average between RON and MON rather than the more typical straight RON measurement which is what most of the world uses. This makes our octane ratings seem lower...
Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
imported_Larry A
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Ive tried 87,89,and93 octane on my car and I didnt notice any difference, so I just use 87. I do have a 4 cylinder, so it shouldnt need higher octand gas. But what I did notice was a difference between brands of gas. I seem to get 1 more mile to a gallon with Shell then BP. Does anybody know anything about Marathon gas? Is there any more gasoline that is Top Tier?
2000firebird
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all i see here is COST of premium as if its some huge expense... think about your average gas tank.. 15 gallons? on average i find midgrade always 10 cents more, and premium 10 cents more than that. so 20 cents more per gallon for premium.. lets say you fill up 10 gallons. so 2 dollars more you're getting premium, is it really that much of an expense, two bucks a week.
the purpose of a octane rating is just to tell you how well it can handle detonation. if you're not getting detonation with a lower octane then theres no point in using a higher one
the purpose of a octane rating is just to tell you how well it can handle detonation. if you're not getting detonation with a lower octane then theres no point in using a higher one
steelwind101 said:
I think you'll find both issues are resolved when you take into account measurement methods
As rjstaff pointed out, we use a different method of rating octane, making ours appear lower.
In the UK, its not uncommon to state engine output in bhp, which often shows up as a larger number than SAE horsepower, which is what we use in the US.
After breaking in my 06 GTI I did a blind test of 5 tanks of Regular, Mid-Grade, and Premium keeping track of MPG and general performance. I had a lot of funny looks when I pulled in to fill up and asked for help in selecting the type of gas.
Conditions of the test
After 15 tanks which took almost 4 months of driving here is what I found
When I took into account the cost difference between Regular and Premium it was cheaper per mile driven using premium so long as the cost difference was not greater then 24 cents per gallon. When I include Mid-Grade the clear winner in the best cost per mile driven s this one.
VW tells me that Premium best for my car but at $3.59 and Mid-Grade at $3.49 well you can do the math.
My baby likes to run but having the very little extra in the wallet when you get there isn’t all that bad either.
Conditions of the test
- Tire pressure was checked weekly, and adjusted when needed.
- In diving to an from work I used ‘Cruise Control’ as much as I could to limit the human factor.
- My driving was to and from work which is 58 miles round trip.
After 15 tanks which took almost 4 months of driving here is what I found
- On regular I averaged 28.5 MPG and noted a slight drop in engine performance
- On Mid-Grade I averaged 31.1 and noted almost no difference engine performance
- On Premium I averaged 31.5 and the acceleration was spot on.
When I took into account the cost difference between Regular and Premium it was cheaper per mile driven using premium so long as the cost difference was not greater then 24 cents per gallon. When I include Mid-Grade the clear winner in the best cost per mile driven s this one.
VW tells me that Premium best for my car but at $3.59 and Mid-Grade at $3.49 well you can do the math.
My baby likes to run but having the very little extra in the wallet when you get there isn’t all that bad either.
imported_Aurora40
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32VDOHC said:
Pre-ignition happens when the fuel ignites on it's own before the spark fires. This is pretty much catastrophic to an engine.
That is not the light pinging sound that some engines make, that is called detonation. Newer cars with sensitive knock sensors, they can detect such small detonation and adjust that you'd likely never hear it at all.
My two cents. You need how much octane you need. More is a waste. If you want to find out how much you need, put some gas in the tank, hook up a scan tool, and go drive the car hard. If there is no knock retard, you don't need more octane. If there is, maybe you do. If you don't care about wasting it, put in premium and enjoy.
If you want to keep your engine clean, as said, use a Top Tier gasoline. This way you know that even the lesser octanes still have an acceptable amount of additives in them to keep your fuel system clean.
I often put in 87 octane when going on long trips because I can burn through a tank or two without ever going to wide-open throttle. Even an engine that needs more octane doesn't need it at low throttle operation.
Your friends new C300 is tuned for premium, but is also a flex-fuel vehicle that can run on E85. Since it is flex fuel it is even more important to run premium in it, since it has little room for adjustment for lower then 91 octane. That engine is very high compression (11.3:1), and requires premium period. In fact, the manual states engine damage caused by running lower than 91 octane is NOT covered by Mercedes Benz warranty.
01TrublUGT
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johnand said:
Exactly, running lower than 91 octane will void warranty.
I think alot of people who have FFV are confused by the way they name it E85 does not mean 85 octane, that stuff is more along the lines of 105 octane. Have seen some forced induction cars converted and pick up an extra 40-50hp by running E85 as they are able to bump the timming up more than what the 93 would allow them to do.