Prefered towels for ONR??

Never really had any problems with a Water Sprite, they work better after they are worn in. I never really cared for the Absorber, but not sure if they wear in like a Water Sprite.



I don't have any Water Sprites right now, but will pick some up, as they work well.



If the car is to be polished i use terry and if it is polished paint i use MF.
 
brwill2005 said:
I dry with a Water Sprite which is similar to the Absorber. I have never had issues with it scratching paint.
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Sorry, but I flat out don't believe you



The car is dirty, you wipe it with ONR, the ONR stays on the car, and you don't rinse with clean water. Where do you think the dirt is?



It doesn't just disappear.



the water that you are dragging across your paint with the absorber is FULL OF DIRT!!!



Something with a long nap that can pick up dirt and trap it in the fibers is CRUCIAL!!
 
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Sorry, but I flat out don't believe you



The car is dirty, you wipe it with ONR, the ONR stays on the car, and you don't rinse with clean water. Where do you think the dirt is?
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I remember reading in one recent thread (the grout sponge one, maybe) that the dirt accumulates primarily on the washing device.



ferb!
 
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Sorry, but I flat out don't believe you



The car is dirty, you wipe it with ONR, the ONR stays on the car, and you don't rinse with clean water. Where do you think the dirt is?



It doesn't just disappear.



the water that you are dragging across your paint with the absorber is FULL OF DIRT!!!



Something with a long nap that can pick up dirt and trap it in the fibers is CRUCIAL!!
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Well, you can believe what you want. I am a professional and do this for a living. I use this method daily on my customers cars. Many of these cars I have been exclusively maintaining since they were new. None of these cars is showing any negative effects from my method. I use a high quality MF mitt to wash, which traps much of the dirt. What remains on the car, the polymers in ONR encapsulates. The Water Sprite traps the remaining dirt in its fibers, similar to the way a MF towel works. Anyways use what you want, but don't call me a liar.
 
Sorry, i'm still not buying it.



It is my understanding that soap does two things. 1) It dissolves dirt and 2) it provides lubrication for the wash tool. So you soap up the car, and it begins to dissolve the dirt. You agitate it with the wash tool to break up the caked-on particles and loosen them from the paint surface. Then you rinse it all off with a stream of water. And then what you're left with is clean, but wet, paint.



ONR works the same way. The only difference is, it encapsulates the dirt so that you don't have to rinse it off. You can instead just absorb the liquid into a drying towel, and the dirt goes with it.



I don't care what you do for a living, or how many cars you claim to have not marred. I simply am not going to believe that the water left on teh car after using ONR is anything close to clean.
 
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Sorry, i'm still not buying it.



It is my understanding that soap does two things. 1) It dissolves dirt and 2) it provides lubrication for the wash tool. So you soap up the car, and it begins to dissolve the dirt. You agitate it with the wash tool to break up the caked-on particles and loosen them from the paint surface. Then you rinse it all off with a stream of water. And then what you're left with is clean, but wet, paint.



ONR works the same way. The only difference is, it encapsulates the dirt so that you don't have to rinse it off. You can instead just absorb the liquid into a drying towel, and the dirt goes with it.



I don't care what you do for a living, or how many cars you claim to have not marred. I simply am not going to believe that the water left on teh car after using ONR is anything close to clean.
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you theory is a little off...

the water would be full of dirt if you you only did one pass

with the ONR



but when using ONR you do several passes and when you do it correctly

the MF or what ever used to dry IS CLEAN

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Sorry, but I flat out don't believe you
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dude that is not cool
 
So what then, you do one pass, and the water left on the car is dirty.



Then you do a second pass, and it picks up all the dirty water and leaves clean water?



Maybe it's less dirty, but it's certainly not clean.



How the hell does your wash tool know which water is dirty and which is clean?
 
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Sorry, i'm still not buying it.



It is my understanding that soap does two things. 1) It dissolves dirt and 2) it provides lubrication for the wash tool. So you soap up the car, and it begins to dissolve the dirt. You agitate it with the wash tool to break up the caked-on particles and loosen them from the paint surface. Then you rinse it all off with a stream of water. And then what you're left with is clean, but wet, paint.



ONR works the same way. The only difference is, it encapsulates the dirt so that you don't have to rinse it off. You can instead just absorb the liquid into a drying towel, and the dirt goes with it.



I don't care what you do for a living, or how many cars you claim to have not marred. I simply am not going to believe that the water left on teh car after using ONR is anything close to clean.
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I never said the water left on the paint was 100% clean. I am saying that the method I use; ONR, MF mitt, and Water Sprite to dry does not damage the paint. If you do not believe me, that is your own ignorance. I have no reason to lie on an Internet forum to impress people. You made a blanket statement that when using ONR, using a synthetic chamois, such as an absorber, scratches paint. I simply said in my experience, when done correctly, this is not the case.
 
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So what then, you do one pass, and the water left on the car is dirty.



Then you do a second pass, and it picks up all the dirty water and leaves clean water?



Maybe it's less dirty, but it's certainly not clean.



How the hell does your wash tool know which water is dirty and which is clean?
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it's FM that how it works
 
brwill2005 said:
I never said the water left on the paint was 100% clean. I am saying that the method I use; ONR, MF mitt, and Water Sprite to dry does not damage the paint. If you do not believe me, that is your own ignorance. I have no reason to lie on an Internet forum to impress people. You made a blanket statement that when using ONR, using a synthetic chamois, such as an absorber, scratches paint. I simply said in my experience, when done correctly, this is not the case.
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Just because it's a "blanket" statement, doesn't mean that it's not true.



Here's another "blanket" statement



Dragging dirt across your paint is bad



Anyone who thinks otherwise, is wrong.





This is my last post in this thread. I'm not getting involved in this argument anymore. If you want to charge people money to drag dirt across their paint, and you can sleep at night, go right ahead.



PS - Check the absorber manufacturers website



https://www.cleantools.net/WebSite/...px?pid=3&desc=../website/htm/the_absorber.htm



I especially like this part:



Remember the absorber® is a sponge and the pores of the sponge can become clogged with oils polymers or debris it may pick up as you dry your vehicle or if it happens to fall on the ground. Routine washing of your absorber® is highly recommended.



Doesn't sound to me like it's really made for dirty water. Sounds to me like it works best on a washed, thoroughly RINSED vehicle. Something you just don't get with a RINSELESS wash product.
 
Dude - ***



This whole thing started when you said "i use a water sprite, which is similar to the absorber"



Now suddently, they're "completely different"



If they are in fact different, then why bother making your first post? Silly me, I assumed that you wouldn't bother answering an Absorber question with information about a Water Sprite if they were, in fact, entirely different products.



It's like if I asked you "Can I build a porch using nails?" and then you said "Sure you can, I use screws which are similar and it works fine". Sure nails and screws both hold wood together, but they work entirely differently. (I know it's a bad analogy, but it's all I can come up with right now).



I've never used a Water sprite. If they are in fact completely different products, then I am willing to extend the benefit of the doubt along with my apologies.



But geez man, get your friggen story straight.
 
Scottwax said:
The Meguiar's Super Terry towels are very soft and have a decently thick nap. They hold up well too, the ones I have are two years old or so and been washed probably twice a week since I got them. I wish I could find more.
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Your wish is my command:
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Available at Auto Detailing Supplies



Rick will hook you up...9 towels for $22.97.



:hifive:
 
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Dude - ***



This whole thing started when you said "i use a water sprite, which is similar to the absorber"



Now suddently, they're "completely different"



If they are in fact different, then why bother making your first post? Silly me, I assumed that you wouldn't bother answering an Absorber question with information about a Water Sprite if they were, in fact, entirely different products.



It's like if I asked you "Can I build a porch using nails?" and then you said "Sure you can, I use screws which are similar and it works fine". Sure nails and screws both hold wood together, but they work entirely differently. (I know it's a bad analogy, but it's all I can come up with right now).



I've never used a Water sprite. If they are in fact completely different products, then I am willing to extend the benefit of the doubt along with my apologies.



But geez man, get your friggen story straight.
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I do not have to get my story straight because it is not a story, it is my own professional experience. What is your experience? What, you read a few internet forums, and now your are an expert? The texture of the Water Sprite is different, but they are both made or PVC. I am willing to bet the Absorber would work just as safely as the Water Sprite in this situation. What annoys me is you are saying I am a liar. You also seem to think I am somehow doing an injustice to my clients by washing this way. Don't you think my customer's would stop doing business with me if I were scratching their paint? Get some credibility before you come on here and tell me that my methods are flawed and that I am telling stories.
 
I love how you instantly assume that just because you do this for a living, you know more than someone who doesn't. I'm not going to automatically believe that everything you say is gospel just because your a professional.



I also think it's great how you assume that my only knowledge of detailing comes form "reading a few internet forums" and now I'm proclaiming myself an expert. I probably haven't detailed as much as you, but I've certainly done it enough that I'm confident I know what I'm talking about. And besides, it's not like were arguing the finer points of "expert" car detailing. We're talking about whether or not its ok to drag dirt across paint. It's not rocket science. But if you want to pretend that it is just to placate your ego, go ahead.



Just because I'm not a professional landscaper doesn't mean that I don't know how to mow my lawn. Just because I'm not a janitor doesn't mean that I don't know how to sweep the floor.



Just because I chose a more lucrative career than car detailing doesn't mean that I don't know how to properly wash a car.



I've seen plenty of "professional" details that look like someone washed the car with battery acid. And I've actually seen ignorant customers rave about how "awesome" their car looks. So just because you can retain business doesn't automatically make everything you do right.



So just becuase you call yourself a professional, doesn't make you right. Especially when the only credential that you are citing is the fact that you purposely drag dirt across your customers' paint.
 
two quick questions for Less



1.) have you ever used ONR?



2.) have you ever used a Water sprite?





if you don't like the way Brwill uses ONR then don't do it

but I see no reason to bash the way he does it with out seeing some of his work



your " lucrative career" statement really makes you sound like an AZZ
 
What do you do for a living? What is your expertise? Stop insulting me. I would not question your expertise in what ever profession you do. Maybe you should come down here and work with me for a day so you can see in person what I do and how I do it. Maybe then you will stop professing to know what you are talking about. BTW, you do not know how much money I make. What gives you the right to say your field is more lucrative than mine? Just because you are some hotshot going for his MBA does not make you anything special. I usually do not get into arguments like this on a forum, but I make exceptions with people as ignorant as you. Have nice day.
 
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