Porsche Introduces the new 911 GT3!

Pretty close to my order! :grinno: I also have an Aero Cup Kit on my C2s order with PCCB's, Sport Shifter, Sport Chrono, Sport Exhaust, Adaptive Sport Seats, Bose, Nav, full black leather, lit sills, crest in headrest, yellow seatbelts, colored center caps. etc etc. :drool:



Only the back bumper does not have the GT3 vents.



So far, I'm in production and scheduled for late April or May delivery. :spot



This is my dream car that I've been wanting and waiting for for a long time.



As soon as it hits the dealer I'll get some pics of it prior to delivery.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Is the GT3 based on the Carrera platform? And the GT2 is based on the 996? (Or equivalent newer platform models or whatnot)



I'm personally a fan of the GT2, but this new one looks good.
 
Another stunning video from Porsche!



I like the animated video's especially the one of the motor internals... it's just too cool!
 
my PCA mate has the 996 GT3 (04). Says it absolutely useless as a daily driver and down right dangerous if mis-aligned or poorly driven in the wet. EVO compared the 996 GT3 RS recently to a few others and said it was ultra nervous and scary to drive.

You are paying a big big premium for this 997 GT3 over the 04 and are not really getting a huge increase in performance. You'll have to pay extra to remove things like the ac and radio.

BTW, the 997s got absolutely spanked by the Z06(at Laguna, no contest) in the latest motor trend and they all but no actually they did proclaim the CaymanS to be the successor of the free breathing 911.

"The best handling Porsche in the world"..."THe 911 is dead long live the CaymanS"



I think Porsha is beinging to lose the plot but luckily they have an EXTREMELY loyal buyer base most of whom would NEVER consider a Z06 now a caymanS on the other hand..
 
I think Porsha is beinging to lose the plot but luckily they have an EXTREMELY loyal buyer base most of whom would NEVER consider a Z06 now a caymanS on the other hand..
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Hogwash ;) Porsche is doing very well and will always be a different crowd than Vette owners. The build quality and interior fit and finish are better although I like the Vette also. Porsche seem to me to have some great ideas, great products and a very loyal base of customer. :)



By the way, who uses a GT3 as a daily driver anyway?
 
not many after a few miles of the brake ducts hitting the pot holes and rocks! But look at the number of GT3's that have been totalled and you see the car is for a certain type of driver.



Sure Porsche are making allot of money and allot of people who buy Porsche will NEVER buy Z06 but when a sports car brand starts getting trounced by competitors it loses cred. There's no debating that.



Its widely believed that Porsche are becoming very arrogant. I mean you have to have some brass balls to ask nearly $20K for the X51 package which produces maybe the lowest bang for the buck peformance in the history of sports cars. The price diff between the 997 GT3 and 996 GT3 is a big chunk of your price tag for a new CaymanS without any really big differnce in performance between this years GT3 and last years. and who ever thought a front engine vette would have a better weight distribution than a 911!! Putting tall gears in the CaymanS just so that it wouldn't beat the 911 in the 0-60? :lol

First Porsche starts getting beat by Chevy what's next? Honda's? Toyotas?



I guess Porsche plans to cater selling to only the very very wealthy who don't ever question why they charge so much more without superior performance. I don't think Porsche are crazy about getting branded as all show no go vs. its competition.

Compeition is what sports car building is all about and they are not doing well to give track cred to their "There is no substitute" motto.
 
The premium price Porsche charges is needed for the company to remain independent, and I would support that if I were wealthy enough to buy one!



Yes, I wish the prices were more in line with Corvettes, but to each their own. I'd take a Cayman S over a Vette anyday! :D
 
drewski59 said:
Yes, I wish the prices were more in line with Corvettes, but to each their own. I'd take a Cayman S over a Vette anyday! :D
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Not if you cared about performance.



And if you didn't care about performance, you'd be better off in a Boxster (or not in a Porsche at all.)



When you build sports cars and you're getting spanked by competition, there is no excuses to be made. If the 911 was the one that was smoking the Corvette for many thousands less, there would be nonstop praise about it, and not one of you would "rather have the Vette", even if the build quality was slightly better (which is about the difference between a 911 and 'Vette right now.) Not only is the Corvette a better performer, it's also a more suitable daily driver, and I'd throw out that it's most likely superior in terms of reliability and longetivity, along with far cheaper basic maintenance.



If you intend to outprice your competition in a sports car market, you sure better offer better performance. If not, then you haven't succeeded.



And for the record, I like the new GT3. I just like the Corvette a whole lot more.
 
twitch said:
Another stunning video from Porsche!



I like the animated video's especially the one of the motor internals... it's just too cool!
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I couldn't agree more :up
 
tailwind said:
Not if you cared about performance.



And if you didn't care about performance, you'd be better off in a Boxster (or not in a Porsche at all.)



When you build sports cars and you're getting spanked by competition, there is no excuses to be made. If the 911 was the one that was smoking the Corvette for many thousands less, there would be nonstop praise about it, and not one of you would "rather have the Vette", even if the build quality was slightly better (which is about the difference between a 911 and 'Vette right now.) Not only is the Corvette a better performer, it's also a more suitable daily driver, and I'd throw out that it's most likely superior in terms of reliability and longetivity, along with far cheaper basic maintenance.



If you intend to outprice your competition in a sports car market, you sure better offer better performance. If not, then you haven't succeeded.



And for the record, I like the new GT3. I just like the Corvette a whole lot more.
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I just said "to each their own". I would prefer a Cayman S over a Corvette. And there's definitely nothing wrong with Porsche performance, and most drivers would never drive it to its limit anyway.



I like the new Corvette a lot, and applaud Chevy :clap: It is definitely one of my favorite domestic cars. It just caters to a different buyer than Porsche, that's all. We can argue all year about performance and price, but we'll never change each others' minds, will we?? :xyxthumbs
 
Pull a Porsche and Corvette up to the front on a country club and see which one gets the most attention.

Check the relative resale values on a % basis. You can not make a u- turn with a Corvette ( on my block) it is easly done with a Porsche. The seats and the finish of a Corvette say Chevy. Give me a brake. However, it is made in this country. I think. And which car would rather be driving on a twisting mountain road. However, I would give you the Chevy on a drag strip. But a drag strip in short bore.
 
tailwind said:
Not if you cared about performance.



And if you didn't care about performance, you'd be better off in a Boxster (or not in a Porsche at all.)



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you might not be visitng many tracks these days.

The Boxster and BoxsterS is one of the most represented Porsches at Porsche Club of America track events. The only mid engine Porsche available for the last few years under $500,000 is the first choice for many high performance drivers.

Now starting in 2005 we have the CaymanS, derived DIRECTLY from the Boxster platform, is a mid engine coupe that Porsche world had be waiting A LONG TIME to see.

A look at the undercarriage reveals a littany of Boxster parts. You can tell easily because the Boxster serial number designation 987 is stamped right onto each part. From the windshied forward the Boxster uses only 996 (911 serial#) componentry. Much to the dismay of 911 owners who laid out so much more $$$$



The latest Motor Trend Magazine (not the most contorversial magazine) is already calling the CaymanS the best handling Porsche in the world right on the cover-- right next to a picture of the 911. Many racing teams have long been saying that the Boxster chasis is the ideal platform for racing.



you are going to be seeing allot of the CyamanS in future racing



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Or perhaps you see the most Boxsters because they're, by far, the cheapest and widely produced model available?



I recall a few years back a magazine running an article comparing several different new cars through laps at Thunderhill driven by a professional, and the Boxster S model's lap time was beaten by a stock Camaro (by the way, the C5 Z06 was among the fastest in the group.)



http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=155&page_number=1



tabinha said:
Pull a Porsche and Corvette up to the front on a country club and see which one gets the most attention.

Check the relative resale values on a % basis. You can not make a u- turn with a Corvette ( on my block) it is easly done with a Porsche. The seats and the finish of a Corvette say Chevy. Give me a brake. However, it is made in this country. I think. And which car would rather be driving on a twisting mountain road. However, I would give you the Chevy on a drag strip. But a drag strip in short bore.
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That is just ridiculously ignorant. First off, who cares what yuppies at country clubs think? Secondly, any old Porsche, even a ragged-out 944 or a regular Boxster or 911? Resale values don't tell the entire story, and a Pinto or Festiva could likely out u-turn their fair share of modern sports cars. The seats and finish in a new Corvette are top notch, and on a twisting mountain road, I'd much prefer the car with the reputation of staying on the road, not having insane traction and stability issues. Coincidentally, that's also the car with faster road course times...and it's not the GT3 in comparison to the Z06 or the 911/Cayman in comparison to the C6.



This topic is a glaring example of why I don't usually bother arguing. There's always an excuse or an assumption to make up for a shortcoming.
 
Top Gear is hardly a reliable source. I've seen a LOT of questionable crap from them...you remember the one article about the NSX being able to out sprint a C6 in a straight line? No real details on the cars or the track, either.



Also iffy seeing some of the cars where they are on that list, like the Viper being 7 full seconds behind the Ford GT as an example. 7 seconds is an eternity through a course, especially one where the times are around a minute and change. From what I've read, those two cars are normally within a second of each other through most courses.
 
I've driven both cars as I was looking at the Z06 first.



The Z06 has massive torque and HP and reminded me of my old '69 L-88 Vette. You'll fry the tires all the time! Anyway, driving it I noticed all the road noise and that's due to the body that Chevy did to keep the Z06 weight down using balsa wood covered with carbon fiber. Driving it harder, it DOES get hot inside! After you park it, you start to get that melting plastic smell. Being a former Vette owner I was both happy with the torque and HP, but saddened by the fit/finish and lack of more updates. Hard to walk away from somthing that broght back so many memories.



So after the noise, heat and smell let alone the cheezy interior along with the slush-box steering and shifter, I went to a Porsche.



I drove a C2S with Sport Chrono. Hit the Sport button, then the shock icon button and the throddle mapping is sharper w/o the harsh ride. Steering was so damn good. Better road feel more input and responce. No additional road noise as well in the coupe. Obviously not hot inside as well. Interior is top notch! Shifter was insane! Very short and accurate.



So, if you want to go very fast with lots of torque/HP and don't mind the heat, noise or interior then choose a Z06. For the $$ you can't beat the deal with a Z06! But you're stuck with an interior and look as everyone else. Not the greatest, but who cares when you have a 427 rocket! :2thumbs:



For more road carving, engineered sound, fit and finish and to get your car the way YOU want it, choose a Porsche. First maintenance: 20K miles! :woot2:



My order: C2S black and black full leather interior, crests in headrests, yellow seatbelts, sport shifter, sport exhaust, sport chrono, nav, Bose, colored crests on wheels, Aero Kit Cup, PCCB's, lighted sills, adaptive sport seats.



Production started this month and I went from PLPROD to PROD which means it's now in production and scheduled for late April or Early May delivery.



The Cayman S is also one very trackable car and with the 3.8 and other mods, this will be one hard to beat car! It's so neutral in feel when you drive it hard. Doesn't "wag the tail" like a 997 due to the engine being midship. Even FarnbacherLoles has a modded Cayman S! called the Cayman GTR. HP up to 500! They shove a 3.8 C2S or 3.8 with X51 upgrade into this thing. One sick car!



BTW, an X51 upgrade of 26HP from Porsche for a C2S costs $17K!



Anyway, no matter which you choose, all are fantastic cars with different feel and fit. It all depends on what you want and how much you want to spend in the long run.



Regards,

Deanski
 
tailwind said:
Or perhaps you see the most Boxsters because they're, by far, the cheapest and widely produced model available?
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by far Cheapest?

I guess that's a subjective word. A BoxsterS with options is knocking on the door of a standard 911. Which shouldn't be surprising because it costs Porsche more to build a BoxsterS then it does to build a Carrera, even today. Before Porsche began production of the Boxster (which saved Porsche from Bankrutpcy, only 1000 911's sold in North America at one point in the early 90's!) the manufacturing guys in Stugart told the desingers it would cost nearly $80,000 dollars to build the Boxster, the first full blooded Porsche in its history. It was only after production experts from Japan came in and suggested building the Boxsters in Valmet, Finland where they able to bring the cost down. But it still costs more make then the flagship Carrera. Which is why no one can understand why the CaymanS which is built from the Boxster Chasis costs $10K more then the new 987 BoxsterS. They are charging you much more simply because they can!

As far as widely available, the production numbers of the Boxster have been great but Porsche still sell more Non-Gt2/Gt3/Turbo 911's then Boxsters, as has always been the case. Actually For the Month of January Porsche sold more 911's, Cayennes AND Caymans then Boxsters!

Everyone I know whether it be a 928,996GT3,BoxsterS,911 Cab, 993,914 wants a piece of a mid engine Porsche! The cat is officially out of the bag.



People choose the BoxsterS for the track because you can't beat mid engine dynamics: just point and squirt. The Boxsters low weight make it akin to a slot car. The 911 is great for the track too but many like me just can stand a pendulus rear end in cornering and if you choose a C4 you've got understeer to contend with as well. The 911 Cab is a total mess with not just the pendulum but a porpoising rear axle. THe nearly $70K price tag on a new CaymanS will probably mean that many will continue to seek to the BoxsterS as the midengine choice for Porsche for at least a few more years.



either way saying someone who is not concerned with performance should by a Boxster contradicts just about every single thing ever printed and reported from the track.



But for the record:



For the track give me Z06 but for everywhere else I'll take a Porsche 9 times out 10.

If Porsche made a mid engine 911 with AWD and ZERO understeer I would never want another car.
 
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