Poorboy's Spray + Rinse Wheel Cleaner containing HFl?

Steve, Fuzz, and DC,


I just wanted to apologize for this whole ball of mess I created. I really didn't mean for it to get this blown out of proportion at all. I was just trying to get an answer.

Sorry for any stress this morning. Enjoy the rest of the day...It's gorgeous up here in the North East.


Regards,

Sean Busch
 
In case of emergency or spill, contact CHEMTREC at 800-424-9300
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
1. IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUBSTANCE/PREPARATION AND THE
COMPANY/UNDERTAKING
Product Name: D31 - Wheel Brightner
Use of the Substance/Preparation
Recommended use: Maintenance product.
Company/Undertaking Identification
2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical nature of the preparation
Components CAS # % Weight OSHA PEL
TWA
EINECS No. Classification
Conditioners TS 1-5 None --- ---
Ammonium Biflouride 1341-49-7 1-2 None 215-676-4 C;R34
T;R25
Proprietary Surfactant Blend TS 1-10 None --- ---
Water 7732-18-5 75-95 None 231-791-2
3. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Most important hazards: This product is for use by professional car washes and detailers only and is NOT
intended for home use. Harmful if swallowed. Harmful; may cause lung damage.
Corrosive. This product contains chemicals listed on Canada WHMIS. See Section
15.
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Prepared Date: 05/17/2002
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Fax: 949-752-5784
Print date: 10/01/2003 Reference Number: None
4. FIRST AID MEASURES
General Advice: Keep under medical supervision for at least 48 hours. Call a physician immediately.
Inhalation: Move to fresh air in case of accidental inhalation of vapours. Consult a physician.
Skin contact: Remove and wash contaminated clothing before re-use Wash off immediately with
soap and plenty of water. If skin irritation persists, call a physician.
Eye contact: In the case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek
medical advice.
Ingestion: Drink plenty of water. Do not induce vomiting. Possible aspiration hazard Consult a
physician.
5. FIRE-FIGHTING MEASURES
NFPA:
Suitable extinguishing media:
Use dry chemical, CO2, water spray or alcohol-resistant foam.
Extinguishing media which must not be used for safety reasons:
Not applicable
Specific hazards:
Heating can release hazardous gases.
Special protective equipment for firefighters:
Standard procedure for chemical fires. In the event of fire and/or explosion do not breathe fumes. As in any fire, wear selfcontained
breathing apparatus pressure-demand, MSHA/NIOSH (approved or equivalent) and full protective gear
Specific methods:
Not applicable
6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
Personal precautions: Ensure adequate ventilation. Keep people away from and upwind of spill/leak. Avoid
contact with skin, eyes and clothing.
Environmental precautions: Do not contaminate surface water. Prevent further leakage or spillage. Local
authorities should be advised if significant spillages cannot be contained.
Methods for cleaning up: Wear personal protective equipment. Clean-up methods - small spillage: Absorb spill
with inert material (e.g. dry sand or earth), then place in a chemical waste container. If
liquid has been spilt in large quantities clean up promptly by scoop or vacuum.
7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Handling:
Technical measures/precautions:
No special technical protective measures required..
Safe handling advice:
None under normal processing.
Storage:
Keep containers tightly closed in a dry, cool and well-ventilated place. Keep away from direct sunlight. Do not freeze.
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Health: 3 Flammability: 0 Reactivity: 1
Incompatible products:
Do not store together with acids or oxidizers.
8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS / PERSONAL PROTECTION
Engineering measures to reduce
exposure:
Ensure adequate ventilation.
Respiratory protection: In case of insufficient ventilation wear suitable respiratory equipment.
Skin and body protection: Immediately remove contaminated clothing.
Eye protection: Avoid contact with eyes. If splashes are likely to occur, wear: Goggles
Hand protection: Preventive skin protection: Neoprene Gloves.
9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
General Information
Important Health Safety and Environmental Information
pH @70° F: 5.5
Flash point: 212 (°F), 100 (°C ) Method: PMCC-ASTM D93-90
Boiling point/range: 210 (°F), 99 (°C)
Water Solubility: Completely soluble
Vapor density: N/A
Density: 1.04
Evaporation rate: Water
VOC content: 6%
Other information:
Specific gravity: 1.04
10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
Stability: Stable under recommended storage conditions.
Polymerization: None known
Conditions to avoid: Extremes of temperature and direct sunlight. Reacts to
metals/glass to form hydrofloric acid
Materials to avoid: Strong acids,. Oxidizing agents. Strong alkalis.
Hazardous decomposition products: Organic acids.
11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Acute toxicity
Component Information
Additional Information: Corrosive. Swallowing will lead to strong caustic effect on mouth and throat and to the
danger of peroration of esophagus and stomach.
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Odor: Mild
Physical state: Liquid
Color: Violet
Appearance: Liquid
12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Ecotoxicity
Product Information
Aquatic toxicity: No information available
Component Information
Ecotoxicity effects: The aqueous medium should be given appropriate treatment as waste water in line
with local regulations.
13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Waste from residues / unused products:
Waste disposal must be in accordance with appropriate Federal, State, and local regulations. This product, if unaltered by
use, may be disposed of by treatment at a permitted facility or as advised by your local hazardous waste regulatory
authority. Residue from fires extinguished with this material may be hazardous.
Contaminated packaging:
Disposal must be made according to local and federal regulations.
Ewc waste disposal no:
Not applicable
Further information
According to the European Waste Catalogue, Waste Codes are not product specific, but application specific
14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION
General Transportation Statement Shipping requirements listed below:
UN-No: 1760
Labels:
ADR/RID:
Proper shipping name: Corrosive Liquid, n.o.s. (ammonium biflouride)
Class: 8
Packing group: III
Maritime transport IMDG:
Proper shipping name: INSERT INFORMATION
Class: 8
Packing group: III
EMS: No data is available.
Air transport ICAO-TI and IATA-DGR:
Proper shipping name: INSERT INFORMATION
Class: 8
Packing group: III
Other information:
This product has been classified in accordance with the hazard criteria of the Controlled Products Regulations and the
MSDS contains all the information required by the Controlled Products Regulations.
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15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
Components TSCA DSL/NDSL Canada - WHMIS Classification
Conditioners TS
Ammonium Biflouride 1341-49-7 XU Present E; D2B
Water 7732-18-5 XU Present
16. OTHER INFORMATION
Prepared by: Health & Safety
Literary reference: None
Disclaimer: To the best of our knowledge, the information contained herein is accurate. However,
neither the above named supplier nor any of its subsidiaries assumes any liability
whatsoever for the accuracy or completeness of the information contained herein.
Final determination of suitability of any material is the sole responsibility of the user.
All materials may present unknown hazards and should be used with caution.
Although certain hazards are described herein, we cannot guarantee that these are
the only hazards that exist
End of Safety Data Sheet
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Chemical Information
Chemical Name: Ammonium hydrogen difluoride
CAS Registry Number: 001341-49-7
Synonyms: Ammonium bifluoride; Ammonium difluoride; Ammonium hydrogen difluoride; Ammonium hydrogen fluoride; Ammonium fluoride ((NH4)(HF2)); Ammonium hydrogendifluoride

So ""ONE"" of the Chemicals that is in BOTH S&R and MEG Wheel Brighter is the same.
 
joyriide1113 said:
gloves, mask, and body suit. lol

this product is really for heavy duty use and should be dilluted quite a bit for regular wheel use. and must be followed with regular wash soap to neatralize acids.

meguars wheel brightner contains NO HFI
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So this would mean the S&R has no HFI
 
holland_patrick said:
SO does this mean that steve products are made by Meguiar's
:rolleyes:
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huh, how did i get into a who makes what post.


like i said, for regular wheel use, spray and rinse needs to be dilluted 3:1.

1:1 is recommended by poorboys to help maintain and not disolve wheelsealant, but 3:1 is about right for us.
 
Here's what happened when I cleaned my wheels using Spray and Rinse. First of all I used it full strength. Second I used a white terry cloth to wipe them clean after flushing the wheels with a generous supply of water.At no time did I use gloves and at no time did my skin peel.The end result was my wheels were spotless and I still have my hands and all ten fingers. I have no reservations whatsoever about using this product.
A word of caution. Although it didn't happen to me I am sure you don't want it in your eye/s.
Now can we please get back to waxing I'm tired.
 
I've used S&R for about a year now....diluted to 50/50 for my cars and have yet to have any problems what so ever on any finish.....If I do run into any problems on cars then I spray some on full strength its yet to create any marring of the finishes that I have worked on
 
holland_patrick

Hey Mr. Holland_Patrick, what's the idea of causing confusion by stating facts?
We were doing just fine with rumors, conjectures, catching wind, grapevines, and inuendoes. :whistling

Charles
 
The Fuzz said:
What is the correct way to wash your hands?
First wet your hands and apply liquid or clean bar soap. Place the bar soap on a rack and allow it to drain.
Next rub your hands vigorously together and scrub all surfaces.
Continue for 10 - 15 seconds or about the length of a little tune. It is the soap combined with the scrubbing action that helps dislodge and remove germs. Rinse well and dry your hands. [/list]
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This is the procedure I follow, and must explain why I haven't had the flu in 20 years. :yes:

I thought this thread had been long dead, so to just add my 2 cents, the talk about PB's S&R having HF in it is laughable.
 
Coastal Eddie said:
This is the procedure I follow, and must explain why I haven't had the flu in 20 years. :yes:

I thought this thread had been long dead, so to just add my 2 cents, the talk about PB's S&R having HF in it is laughable.
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Well, it is a legit question to ask. It's just the part when people "supposedly" have a product tested, "supposedly" find something about it and then start spreading rumors "through the grapevine" that is laughable.

You can bet your ass that if I had a verifiable document proving something was dangerous that I'd be the first to be the hero and make truthful information public.
 
The Fuzz said:
Well, it is a legit question to ask. It's just the part when people "supposedly" have a product tested, "supposedly" find something about it and then start spreading rumors "through the grapevine" that is laughable.

You can bet your ass that if I had a verifiable document proving something was dangerous that I'd be the first to be the hero and make truthful information public.
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I think the main reason I threw my 2 cents into this thread is because I went through 3 months of hell with the Environmental Safety & Health Compliance people at a company where I have a Detailing Shop that I use a few days per week. Their intent was to evaluate (and test if need be) any or all of the products I use. Since I've been "audited" by these people in the past, and because they didn't have them on their list, the only chemicals they seemed interested in were PB's products. Needless to say, I had Poorboy's full support during this period of time, and he and I were driven nuts by these people in their quest for "truthful information".

I won't bore you anymore with how far they went in their testing and evaluations of PB's products, but will just say that HF is banned at this Corporation, S&R was one of my chemicals that was tested, and I passed their audit with flying colors.
 
Coastal Eddie said:
I think the main reason I threw my 2 cents into this thread is because I went through 3 months of hell with the Environmental Safety & Health Compliance people at a company where I have a Detailing Shop that I use a few days per week. Their intent was to evaluate (and test if need be) any or all of the products I use. Since I've been "audited" by these people in the past, and because they didn't have them on their list, the only chemicals they seemed interested in were PB's products. Needless to say, I had Poorboy's full support during this period of time, and he and I were driven nuts by these people in their quest for "truthful information".

I won't bore you anymore with how far they went in their testing and evaluations of PB's products, but will just say that HF is banned at this Corporation, S&R was one of my chemicals that was tested, and I passed their audit with flying colors.
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Good grief, another one stating facts.
Where is your imagination?

Charles
 
Actually, i wasnt sure if this was a item that i could use or do what the label claims. Thanks for helping me make a decision. I will be ordering PBs S & R when i make my next purchase.

Joe
 
Why do you have to dilute the Spray and Rinse wheel cleaner? It does not say you have to do that on the back of the bottle. It says for certain types of wheels it should be diluted and spot tested etc. I dont dilute it when I spray it on my wheels. Am I doing damage maybe? They look fine.
 
No but its overkill to use it full strength on wheels that do not need it. Its not safe to use it weekly either. I'm sure 1:1 is strong enough and is also recommended for use on sealed wheels as it doesnt cut through the selant right away but gives that extra muscle when cleaning. Again, still overkill.
 
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