Poorboys Products

geeez what did I start?



well I guess they stopped sending out freebies then. Detailcity.com is usually my middleman they have monthly newsletter with a promotional password that gets you a 10% discount which will eliminate shipping and handling. I think with so much competition in the mail order detailing product segment, some incentives are definitely in order. 1st rate customer service should be standard practice among all competitors.
 
mburnickas said:
No, not upset at all. It is funny (and pretty sad) they poorboys own site is more expensive then "the middle man". I can go on 3 to 5 sites and get PB stuff cheaper from a middle guy (with a % mark up) then PB own site!



That was the basis of my last post if you did not get it. The towel is something I could careless on. Paying full retail form the people who makes it, PB, is pretty bad.



I do thank the middle guys who are vendors that at least give discount (even with there % mark up)...
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That's how it should be though. If a manufacturer is going to sell via distributors, many times they don't even sell direct! And when they do, they are supposed to protect their distributors by selling at MSRP and letting the middlemen sell at a lower price.
 
Sherman8r44 said:
That's how it should be though. If a manufacturer is going to sell via distributors, many times they don't even sell direct! And when they do, they are supposed to protect their distributors by selling at MSRP and letting the middlemen sell at a lower price.
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QFT. Otherwise, there really is no point to having distributors if selling it direct was cheaper right? Should make sense by now...
 
I agree but PB price is a little high for what you get.



then again why I would I go to PB website when I can go to others to buy (for less).



For me, PB would at least get some of my $$$ if they came down on their prices. In return they would get more profit.



Example, natty is like $15.95; My guess, cost is about $4 (to make) and sell it for $8. Then the middle guy doubles it to MSRP.



So PB made $4 on the sale when sold to next vendor. If a customer buys it form them (PB) they make $11 vs the $4 from the vendor. That is like 63% profit. Even if they knocked off 10%, like the wonderful sponsers here DO, they would at make 50% profit and level the field.



No big deal I do not even use PB any longer for above reasons and others. I only use JW, clearkote and CG. Only shop at Danase.com or excil
 
mburnickas said:
I agree but PB price is a little high for what you get.



then again why I would I go to PB website when I can go to others to buy (for less).



For me, PB would at least get some of my $$$ if they came down on their prices. In return they would get more profit.



Example, natty is like $15.95; My guess, cost is about $4 (to make) and sell it for $8. Then the middle guy doubles it to MSRP.



So PB made $4 on the sale when sold to next vendor. If a customer buys it form them (PB) they make $11 vs the $4 from the vendor. That is like 63% profit. Even if they knocked off 10%, like the wonderful sponsers here DO, they would at make 50% profit and level the field.
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I understand where you're coming from, but then why the hell have distributors? Why not just sell direct? More competitive prices when selling direct could = more profit but also a lot more hassle and undermining the whole distributor system. As a manufacturer with distributors, the direct price should be higher to protect the distributors' prices. A manufacturer should absolutely not "compete" with its distributors.
 
Sherman8r44 said:
I understand where you're coming from, but then why the hell have distributors? Why not just sell direct? More competitive prices when selling direct could = more profit but also a lot more hassle and undermining the whole distributor system. As a manufacturer with distributors, the direct price should be higher to protect the distributors' prices. A manufacturer should absolutely not "compete" with its distributors.
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I totally agree with your statement. I am a Poorboys distributor. It would be very hard to sell products if Poorboys had better prices than what I could sell them for.
 
mburnickas said:
No, not upset at all. It is funny (and pretty sad) they poorboys own site is more expensive then "the middle man". I can go on 3 to 5 sites and get PB stuff cheaper from a middle guy (with a % mark up) then PB own site!



That was the basis of my last post if you did not get it. The towel is something I could careless on. Paying full retail form the people who makes it, PB, is pretty bad.



I do thank the middle guys who are vendors that at least give discount (even with there % mark up)...
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Now I understand, I thought because you didn't get a towel you were no longer buying PB products. Sorry my mistake....
 
Sherman8r44 said:
I understand where you're coming from, but then why the hell have distributors? Why not just sell direct? More competitive prices when selling direct could = more profit but also a lot more hassle and undermining the whole distributor system. As a manufacturer with distributors, the direct price should be higher to protect the distributors' prices. A manufacturer should absolutely not "compete" with its distributors.
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But PB makes a hell of a lot more $$$ (per item) off people coming to their site then there own vendors that spend a hell of a lot more then you or me (per say).



Even if PB had lower prices on there site then theior vendors, I am very sure there own vendor would not cry poor. If they did, something is very wrong with there profit margins.



It is not just PB but lots of products (weber, yankee candles, bose, amsoil, agway etc) in the market. it is a 50/50 issue. Sometimes manufactures have cheaper prices and sometimes not. The not ones are crazy..



Hell I just bought another Weber Siver series for another family memeber as a gift. Retail is $495. Sometimes HD sells it with free assy, deliver and gas (approx $40). So that is a $459 grill. I just paid $410 from a major marketer (with there 5% increase) and weber still is making money aong with the vendor. Case in point, everone is making money but people who buy list price need to shop around more. MSRP is just that, "suggusted".
 
Mike B.,



You still don't get it. If Poorboy's sold product at discount via the web or the phone, they would not have resellers for very long. I can guarantee that companies that resold Poorboy's products would scream bloody murder if Poorboy's sold direct at a discount.



This is an extremely normal business practice. Manufacturers that sell direct at a discount don't keep their resellers very long....



Scott
 
winders said:
Mike B.,



You still don't get it. If Poorboy's sold product at discount via the web or the phone, they would not have resellers for very long. I can guarantee that companies that resold Poorboy's products would scream bloody murder if Poorboy's sold direct at a discount.



This is an extremely normal business practice. Manufacturers that sell direct at a discount don't keep their resellers very long....



Scott
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Yes, personally I can not stand when manufacturers sell their own products cheaper than they sell them to me. If they want to sell them direct and at msrp or higher by all means go ahead but the minute they start offering discounts and sales I won't play. I actually dropped a line of products because of this a few years ago. We all have enough competition as it is let alone trying to compete with the makers as well.
 
winders said:
Mike B.,



You still don't get it. If Poorboy's sold product at discount via the web or the phone, they would not have resellers for very long. I can guarantee that companies that resold Poorboy's products would scream bloody murder if Poorboy's sold direct at a discount.



This is an extremely normal business practice. Manufacturers that sell direct at a discount don't keep their resellers very long....



Scott
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yes I do/DID get it but what you are missing



so now a PB discount of XXX is going to kill there dealers? Give me a break..NO WAY. Even if PB had 20% off there "MSRP" it is still way above what vendors pay PLUS vendors % profit. Or they work off margin and not a fixed %.



No worries I do not even use PB so do not really care. Just the point.
 
Danase said:
Yes, personally I can not stand when manufacturers sell their own products cheaper than they sell them to me.
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I agree 100% here



But, if PB spray and wipe is $4 to a vendor (dealer price, guess) then anyone can figure out that PB own site cannot sell it for less then what vendors buy it for. Easy one.



If retail is $10 (at PB site) for 32 oz SW and a vendor sells it for $9 (bought for $4). More hands "in the pot" and vendor is still cheaper. People would not be smart to buy from PB own site. Go to a middle man and buy it cheaper then the people who make it. Even with discounts here everyone is making money.
 
Mike B.,



A manufacturer forcing a reseller to sell at a discount off MSRP just to match the manufacturers discounted price is bad business, period. It does not matter if the reseller can still make some money. What this amounts to is the manufacturer using an inflated MSRP when negotiating a product discount price structure with resellers. Again, that's bad business.



Yes, we consumers would like everything cheaper. But take off the consumer hat for a moment and put on a business hat. Your profit margin example is laughable. No reseller is going to get a product that retails for $10 for $4. Ask Danase if he would like 60% margin and a markup of 150% based on retail on the products he buys.



Scott
 
PB sells more product and makes more money by using third parties..



People will discover them that otherwise wouldn't..and they save on marketing since Autogeek or Danase will do some for them.



If I want a Brand X sealant, but am curious about SSR2.5..I'm more likely to throw it in my cart at a place like Danase where the shipping won't be much if any extra, versus paying a full shipping at Poorboys
 
winders said:
Mike B.,



A manufacturer forcing a reseller to sell at a discount off MSRP just to match the manufacturers discounted price is bad business, period. It does not matter if the reseller can still make some money. What this amounts to is the manufacturer using an inflated MSRP when negotiating a product discount price structure with resellers. Again, that's bad business.



Yes, we consumers would like everything cheaper. But take off the consumer hat for a moment and put on a business hat. Your profit margin example is laughable. No reseller is going to get a product that retails for $10 for $4. Ask Danase if he would like 60% margin and a markup of 150% based on retail on the products he buys.



Scott
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If the vendor HAS to sell at MSRP per contract it is a diff story. Most have things that they must sell at MSRP not the other way around. It not, the vendor can sell for what he sees fit.



I know many items that are marking up 150 to 300% online. Hell I know for a fact they Weber grills (silver) cost below $380 and sell for $495. Or Yankee candles are $21 each for large and dealer price is below $10 ($8.50). Or Alpine air unit are $695.00 and dealer is about $400. Or Hunter PGP inground sprinklers are $9 to $25 online. ALL dealers are making money no matter at 9 or $25 per head. I know that PB SW from a dealer was $5.95 and I am damn sure he was making something (maybe small). Retails for $10.95. Laugable? No, it happens everyday.



Best example is Kubota tractors aks any dealer what MSRP is they will not tell you. It is all what "inflated" MSRP's. When I bought my Bx22 all the dealers told me diff stories.
 
sspeer said:
PB sells more product and makes more money by using third parties..



People will discover them that otherwise wouldn't..and they save on marketing since Autogeek or Danase will do some for them.



If I want a Brand X sealant, but am curious about SSR2.5..I'm more likely to throw it in my cart at a place like Danase where the shipping won't be much if any extra, versus paying a full shipping at Poorboys
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I agree, more vendors and more MLM. Power in numbers. I think the vendors spread the word more and work much more with the customer.



Again, no worries I LOVE danase.com
 
mburnickas said:
If the vendor HAS to sell at MSRP per contract it is a diff story. Most have things that they must sell at MSRP not the other way around. It not, the vendor can sell for what he sees fit.



Best example is Kubota tractors aks any dealer what MSRP is they will not tell you. It is all what "inflated" MSRP's. When I bought my Bx22 all the dealers told me diff stories.
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The manufacturer selling at MSRP keeps the MSRP solid so that it isn't inflated. That way all the distributors can undercut the MSRP to their own liking but it still keeps the going rates rather high.



As Bob has told us, if a manufacturer like PB were to start selling direct at a discount, all of the distributors WOULD cry bloody murder and all resellers would probably drop the line.



I also like the distributor system, but IMO it should be one way or the other--distributors only or direct only. Or the manufacturer should use its power to protect the distributors.
 
I agree but I do not think all the dealer would whine. Example, 5% off at PB is not even lower then Bob price. he he he



So case in point, support Bob (danase.com) and all the middle men! LOL :)



Again, no worries I do not even buy PB items anylonger. I dislike them for reason I stared above and others. I do use PB on my lawn tractor. The backhoe and loader do come out nice.....until winter or the 30 years of mulch comes. :spot
 
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