imported_DetailGirl1
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So Dwayne runs it now?Jngrbrdman said:
Poorboys Polishes or is it Memorex?
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imported_DetailGirl1
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Just thought of something here. We all know that clay is only made by a few companies, yet we all buy clay and do not ***** and complain that it is repackaged and relabeled.
Do you honestly think that the clay Pinical or Zaino sells is any different than the generic stuff DavidB used to sell? Only difference I saw was the jacked price. So why all the fuss about poorboys? Pretty slick move if you ask me now that I have had sometime to think about it.
Do you honestly think that the clay Pinical or Zaino sells is any different than the generic stuff DavidB used to sell? Only difference I saw was the jacked price. So why all the fuss about poorboys? Pretty slick move if you ask me now that I have had sometime to think about it.
imported_Burlyq
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DetailGirl said:
Well I have never bought Zaino or Pinnacle clay, lol. I always look for the cheapest clay and they aren't it, but Zaino seams to be lower than many others 2 bars for 16 is that right? That doesn't sound that jacked to me compared to what we are talking about. I buy in bulk from detailplus but lately they have been out. Besides, I would say if they are the same clay, it is different to me then the compounds. Clay is truly made by a very few companies. I don't "think" anyone claims that Z or P or anyother clay is their own invention. Poorboy says he has a chemist and that his compounds are Unique, or I guess that is what I think he said, still looking for clarification and testing. I will say that clays are very different, some are sticky and some are not (Even CM has different clays in their own lineup), so there are differences, but I bet that they all come from two or three clay companies. Some Vendors set the clay the way they want it, either sticky so it grabs or hard so it cuts the contaminant out.
Oops, just looked up the Poorboys clay deal don't want to go there.
So you either believe Steve, or you think he's a liar. I met the man, he told me face to face about where and how he gets his stuff, how he talks to the chemist regularly and how they arrive at a formula that he then contracts to a major manufacturer. I'm sure they start with something already in existence, something that is basic; I mean, you don't reinvent the wheel every time.
I met the guy, I believe him. And the only PB product I use regularly is S&W, although I have several others I simply haven't found a place for them.
Tom
I met the guy, I believe him. And the only PB product I use regularly is S&W, although I have several others I simply haven't found a place for them.
Tom
94BlkStang
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Burlyq said:
So you have the answer from the owner, but refuse to believe him and carry this on further. My suggestion is to not use his product. He seems to have a pretty good following and I've used his EX P and have been very satisfied.
DETAILKING
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The truth is that there are many products out there that aren't much different than what you will find in the pro line or automagic, etc. Basically bulk, generic detailing products for the most part. Let's face it, there are not that many manufacturer's out there so private labeling screaming behind the scenes.
I don't see TOLL PROCESSING to be very popular in this industry. You see that a lot in say the food and beverage industry. For example, BUD doesn't care about SAM ADAMS recipe because they each have their "taste" that are set apart by the drinkers preference. In the detailing industry, products are benchmarked by performance, so why would someone give up a killer recipe to a competitor??
Anyone that has ever been to a chemical plant (I've worked in several) will know that the most cost effective way of private labeling would be to simply rebottle the product. Often additives are added (color, fragrance,etc) towards the end of the batch to yield some uniqueness. If anything, the basic process remains the same (expensive to change the steps), and alternate ingredients are substituted under the customers (vendors) direction. Since batch sizes are typically very large, a manufacturer will only do thiscost effectively on large orders. The finished product is typically shipped from the manufacturer to the distributors directly (why send them to the middle man and ship them twice?) so the distributors probably know where the products are coming from.
When developing a product, cost is a major concern and usually the limiting factor. Most products can probably be made to perform better, but who will buy them at the price they cost to produce?
The sad thing is that this whole industry revolves around marketing. AFter all EVERY product out there is the longest lasting, deepest shining product out there OR YOUR MONEY BACK!!!
When comparing products, it is interesting to note similarities between products X and Y, but even better, it is interesting to note the differences. Now the question is ........do those difference justify the difference in pricing?
I don't see TOLL PROCESSING to be very popular in this industry. You see that a lot in say the food and beverage industry. For example, BUD doesn't care about SAM ADAMS recipe because they each have their "taste" that are set apart by the drinkers preference. In the detailing industry, products are benchmarked by performance, so why would someone give up a killer recipe to a competitor??
Anyone that has ever been to a chemical plant (I've worked in several) will know that the most cost effective way of private labeling would be to simply rebottle the product. Often additives are added (color, fragrance,etc) towards the end of the batch to yield some uniqueness. If anything, the basic process remains the same (expensive to change the steps), and alternate ingredients are substituted under the customers (vendors) direction. Since batch sizes are typically very large, a manufacturer will only do thiscost effectively on large orders. The finished product is typically shipped from the manufacturer to the distributors directly (why send them to the middle man and ship them twice?) so the distributors probably know where the products are coming from.
When developing a product, cost is a major concern and usually the limiting factor. Most products can probably be made to perform better, but who will buy them at the price they cost to produce?
The sad thing is that this whole industry revolves around marketing. AFter all EVERY product out there is the longest lasting, deepest shining product out there OR YOUR MONEY BACK!!!
When comparing products, it is interesting to note similarities between products X and Y, but even better, it is interesting to note the differences. Now the question is ........do those difference justify the difference in pricing?
imported_Burlyq
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94BlkStang said:So you have the answer from the owner, but refuse to believe him and carry this on further. My suggestion is to not use his product. He seems to have a pretty good following and I've used his EX P and have been very satisfied.
No I don't have the answer I am looking for. His post was defensive and he wasn't willing to answer any further questions like David B. His evasive answer might be enough for you, but I am a meat and tato's guy, a black and white dude, an apple and oranges papa. Are these the same polishes or not? It would be a "yes" or "no", had he answered that way this post would have not been written. It seams like he was doing an end around the truth, making me more suspicious. Now you are the one who is carrying this further w/o acknowledging that the cutting order and color order of the polishes are some kind of coincidence. I never said they weren't good products, and his following is well deserved. If they are the same polishes and you want to pay their prices that is a sign that PB's has good customer support. If you want to hide the truth to protect them I would have to ask why, what's your deal?
BTW, I really like DetailKings post very classy. If he would have started this post we might have a better thread for finding not only the truth but how is the truth relevant.:xyxthumbs
I think Steve specifically wrote in capital letters that he wanted a polish that worked well in direct sunlight. If I had to guess, I'd say that is what sets PB off from others.
I too have a chemical plant background. My father was a chemical engineer for Penna Industrial Chemical Corp, and then for Hercules (which bought PICCO), and eventually was the plant manager. I worked directly in the plant, with the raw batches of chemicals, as a "peon", for two summers. We made industrial resins; glue, mostly. A customer would give the company some specs. The chemists would develop the chemical. My dad would figure out how to manufacture it in big batches. We poured it into barrels or flaked it into bags and shipped it.
EVERY product started with one of maybe a dozen basic resins; "Piccotex", Piccolite", etc. The resin was altered in some way to meet the customer's requirement for heat, or strength, or elasticity, or a combination. But they all started with the basic resins.
The worst was if a batch was mixed and then was out of spec; we had to take drums of hardened resin and break them up with axes and mix them with solvent for use as fuel oil. But I digress.
They were all glues from the same manufacturer, but they weren't all the same glue. You couldn't tell them apart without a chemical analysis; heck, we worked there and we couldn't tell them apart without the markings on the side of the drums. But they were all definitely different.
Tom
I too have a chemical plant background. My father was a chemical engineer for Penna Industrial Chemical Corp, and then for Hercules (which bought PICCO), and eventually was the plant manager. I worked directly in the plant, with the raw batches of chemicals, as a "peon", for two summers. We made industrial resins; glue, mostly. A customer would give the company some specs. The chemists would develop the chemical. My dad would figure out how to manufacture it in big batches. We poured it into barrels or flaked it into bags and shipped it.
EVERY product started with one of maybe a dozen basic resins; "Piccotex", Piccolite", etc. The resin was altered in some way to meet the customer's requirement for heat, or strength, or elasticity, or a combination. But they all started with the basic resins.
The worst was if a batch was mixed and then was out of spec; we had to take drums of hardened resin and break them up with axes and mix them with solvent for use as fuel oil. But I digress.
They were all glues from the same manufacturer, but they weren't all the same glue. You couldn't tell them apart without a chemical analysis; heck, we worked there and we couldn't tell them apart without the markings on the side of the drums. But they were all definitely different.
Tom
Mosca said:
i agree. looking at that chemical guys website, their polishes that look like the SSRs don't mention anything about being able to use in the sun. i'm also wondering, if PB's SSRs were the same thing, how come the SSR 2.5, which looks like the chemical guys' LASER BUFF-SCRATCH & SWIRL REMOVER, isn't also "a one-step formula cleans, waxes & polishes" (from the chemical guys website description about their Laser Buff-Scratch & Swirl Remover).
Burlyq - have you tried contacting Poorboy? maybe he doesn't come here too often and/or hasn't seen this post?
DETAILKING
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Burlyq said:
Thanks man.....
To be honest, I don't think it is fair to put poorboys on the spot here. I mean if the products are the same, well he is not the only one out there doing it! This is something I think needs to be compared and results obvserved. Once the facts are out then let's hear the refutes! Just my opinion.
MOSCA---> Ahhh so have worked in a plant and you can relate. Usually companys like you mentioned that give you specs to design to are established corporations with many products that have been around. Like I said it is expensive to develop a product, and sometimes one will private label to get the ball rolling and some income and a feel for the market and then "improve on or add to" their product line once some dollars come rolling in. Also a manfacturer is not going to spend a lot of time and money modifying a process line to make a certain product unless the contract and quantities are pretty big
DetailGirl said:
Well, I'm not quite sure what this has to do with the original content of this thread. However, being a member of DetailCity, I feel a bit insulted by your comment.
Not naming any names, but...
If "someone" got banned for posting "hot links" at that site a while back, and then "someone" got banned again by sneaking onto the site again with a different user name, (which would lead to banning here too) and then maybe "someone" sent the owner of the site a nasty, somewhat vulgar email for being banned... I guess "someone" could try and hide behind that kind of attitude.
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White_F150 said:
Now I'm hungary, yumm.
imported_Blake
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I really question how you continue with a thread that really smells of inuendo about a vendor. He really doesn't have to tell you his business and you don't have to use his product. I really think he is getting a raw deal here. If you have proof he is relabelling someone else' product speak up. If not......
I don't blame him for not commenting. Someone would twist whatever he said. It's obvious; We have 10 pages after he basically said they do their own thing with the best ingredients.
I don't blame him for not commenting. Someone would twist whatever he said. It's obvious; We have 10 pages after he basically said they do their own thing with the best ingredients.
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Youâ€â„¢ve got to be naïve to think that ANYONE would ever acknowledge their product to be re-labeled. Is the product unique, copied, generic, similar, blah, blah, blah . . . youâ€â„¢ll never know. Deal with it. Come on people, weâ€â„¢re talking about auto products . . . not corporate scandal. Do you like the product? If so . . . GREAT! If not, move on to the next one because Lord knows we have gazillion different choices. Remember back in the day when OTC was your only choice? Recall the feeling of stepping back and admiring your hours of hard work? A set of glowing fenders . . . razor sharp reflections . . . a pool of depth and gloss? Well guess what . . . all of this was accomplished with cheapo, generic, re-labeled junk in a fancy container. Whether it cost a $1, $5, or $10 more, itâ€â„¢s completely irrelevant because the cost has no bearing on that little thing inside your brain which creates the feeling of pride and satisfaction of a job well done.
Ladies and gentlemen, itâ€â„¢s time to move on enjoy the fruits of our labor
Ladies and gentlemen, itâ€â„¢s time to move on enjoy the fruits of our labor
imported_DetailGirl1
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Wrong, nice try though. Get your facts straight before spouting your mouth off. If telling someone the way they handle their business is "crappy" and they cant deal with it that is just fine. IMO its a second rate establishment just like PAC is as a vendor.White_F150 said:
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BoneDaddy said:
A retailer of detailing products.. doesn't much matter for this thread.
Maybe Poorboy Steve isn't responding due to David's new rules about vendors / manufs only posting if they are sponsors? Maybe he's said what he has to say - take it or leave it. Maybe the products in question should have been fully tested before this thread was created?
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Perhaps its possible that Poorboy/Adam's gets his product made through CG with his own formula?
DK, a perfect example: we made the glue that held Converse Allstars together. Along about that time, the early '70s, Adidas and Puma were making shoes that were better designed, and they wanted shoes that would withstand more stress without coming apart at the seams. We got orders to make a glue that would stand up better to sweat & lateral stress.
Not quite a perfect analogy, but the chemists took an existing formula and changed it to fit the bill. They didn't start with carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, chlorine, etc; they started with one of the existing products and made it fit.
Tom
Not quite a perfect analogy, but the chemists took an existing formula and changed it to fit the bill. They didn't start with carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, chlorine, etc; they started with one of the existing products and made it fit.
Tom
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