Poorboys Polishes or is it Memorex?

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RCBuddha said:
Well, I detail 2-3 cars per month, for friends/family club members. I also wash and do quick waxes for my GF and her friends. So yes, I work on a lot of cars. I go through as much products as a professional does.



Sorry to say, but you do not qualify as a professional who does detailing for a living. I personally detail anywhere from 24-48 vehicles a month not including rv's and boats. You definitely don't go through as much supplies as a professional.
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Here's my take on the whole thing:



Let's face it, there are only so many ways you can chemically formulate a polish. They all use some kind of diminishing abrasive, all have something in them that allows them to be worked and not dry up instantly. While I'm not a chemist, simple logic dictates that there are only so many combinations that can be made this way. Are there bound to be similarities? Sure, there would have to be. I have used both Poorboys and Meguiars products, they achieve the same end result, work very similarly, just in my experience the PB stuff is more easily used in the sun. Does this mean that PB is just meguiars with something added to make it more sun friendly? No one seems to be posulating that hypothesis. If this question was brought up solely based upon the coloration of the polishes, the fine, but I dont think that you can question the chemical makeup based solely upon product coloration.



IMO, this answers the question right here...

I wanted products that could be used in the SUN and also by almost anyone. The stuff he had couldn't...I was sent numerous samples of products one at a time to test and revise with him (as I'm not a chemist either David, but i did have 20+ years experience using products professionally). As some of you remember we only started with 5 products..it took a long time to get those 5 as I wanted them...

To make a long story short ...yes there will be similarities in products and their looks, but using them will quickly tell you they are not the same.
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That's good enough for me.



I have used PB products, and I do like them. Although I have no experience with CG stuff, I would be more than willing to help test it out. If someone wants me to help, shoot me a PM.
 
Mark Waldron said:
Sorry to say, but you do not qualify as a professional who does detailing for a living. I personally detail anywhere from 24-48 vehicles a month not including rv's and boats. You definitely don't go through as much supplies as a professional.
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Fine, your right. I'm no "Professional". :rolleyes: I've NEVER claimed to be one, but i do believe that i go through quite a bit of products. Maybe not abrasive polishes, but I do use quite a bit of dressings, waxes and sealants.



As I've stated on this thread and the other one: Gallon sizes are advantegous to me, and if I can find a bulk product that is similar in performance to a "boutique" product, then I'll be happy to buy it.



If I recall, wasn't it BurlyQ that gave the link to the chemical guys in the other thread that started this whole discussion??



We can all sit here and do this:



:argue



but Redondo has offered to send samples to certain folks who interested. I have, and will be offering a review when I get the chance.
 
I'm not trying to prove I'm right or wrong about anything. I just am trying to help folks understand that buying products by the gallon will always save you money, but if it's not used in a certain amount of time, the savings goes out the window. I'm not trying to start anything with you RCBuddha. I just know this thread has gotten way off track.
 
Mark Waldron said:
I'm not trying to prove I'm right or wrong about anything. I just am trying to help folks understand that buying products by the gallon will always save you money, but if it's not used in a certain amount of time, the savings goes out the window.
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I see your point. I agree.



I'm not trying to start anything with you RCBuddha. I just know this thread has gotten way off track.
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Agreed...I have nothing against you either Mark.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Has the detailing dollars really become so tight that demeaning threads are created to eliminate competition?



Yes, the tone has changed here. This thread should have been "Look at what I have done with products I purchased from ChemXXX.". I wonder will the creator of this post report back if his findings do not add up to his acquisations. Just venting because I find it rather displeasing with the present tone about products. (i.e. "new Klasse") and vendors on this forum. Let me stab you in the back with a smilie. :nixweiss



To me this whole thread is a personal attack, not becoming to Autopia in general, extremely distasteful, many unfounded assumptions and should have been removed.
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Matt I'm truly sorry you feel this way I usually respect your opinion. I have always admitted when I'm wrong, and I have been wrong before here on Autopia. I am not besmurging or attacking, I use Poorboys and LOVE Natty's. I am simply asking a question and not making any factual statements. I am sorry to anyone who was offended by this thread, but what exactly are you defending? Are you so in love with a product line itself you don't want to challenge them "IF" they are gouging your pocket book. If in some areas they are cutting corners. Let's just find out the truth and move forward.
 
Mark Waldron said:
Sorry to say, but you do not qualify as a professional who does detailing for a living. I personally detail anywhere from 24-48 vehicles a month not including rv's and boats. You definitely don't go through as much supplies as a professional.
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Detailing a large volume of cars doesn't make you a "professional".
 
BradE said:
Detailing a large volume of cars doesn't make you a "professional".
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Amen to that. Professionalism is a way of doing business and not the volume of business you do. I know some people who detail for a living and are absolute hacks. I know others who detail 3 or 4 cars a month and turn out some of the best work I've ever seen. You simply can't judge the quality of someone's work by how many cars they do a month. Granted the point is that he doesn't use as much product as a 'full time' professional, but he can still be classified as a professional if he is using the right processes and products for the job.
 
Burlyq said:
Matt I'm truly sorry you feel this way I usually respect your opinion. I have always admitted when I'm wrong, and I have been wrong before here on Autopia. I am not besmurging or attacking, I use Poorboys and LOVE Natty's. I am simply asking a question and not making any factual statements. I am sorry to anyone who was offended by this thread, but what exactly are you defending? Are you so in love with a product line itself you don't want to challenge them "IF" they are gouging your pocket book. If in some areas they are cutting corners. Let's just find out the truth and move forward.
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I think the question you are asking is one that can never be answered. Will Poorboys admit that they sell repackaged Brand X product if in fact they do (that has never even been close to being proven) , or will Brand X admit that they sell the EXACT same product under their own house brand? If either admits to it, they would be in violation of a trade agreement if in fact one even exists. There are tons of products available to the consumer and professional with pricing all over the board. Myself and others have reitterated this many times and the bottom line is, if you're curious about a product, give it a try. If you're satisfied with the results and the price, then that's what one should use. If not, keep looking. No sense putting a quality company into scrutiny over something that probably can never be proven.:)
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Amen to that. Professionalism is a way of doing business and not the volume of business you do. I know some people who detail for a living and are absolute hacks. I know others who detail 3 or 4 cars a month and turn out some of the best work I've ever seen. You simply can't judge the quality of someone's work by how many cars they do a month. Granted the point is that he doesn't use as much product as a 'full time' professional, but he can still be classified as a professional if he is using the right processes and products for the job.
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Professional doesn't define the quality or volume of work, only that you get paid to do it. There are professional doctors, lawyers, mechanics etc that I would never let get near me, but they are still professionals. Just as amatuer doesn't make one less qualified. It merely states that it isn't something they do for a living.:D
 
Hi Burlyq,

Hopefully, you did not come to the conclusion I was attacking you personally just the "idea" of posting an assumption that two product lines are similiar without first hand comparison at least in function verses just appearance similiarities. I have been reading this post since its beginning and really did not desire to get involved but a potential injustice, IMO, was occurring without proof. Will the retraction of this "front page News" be printed or even acknowledged on the back page? Will definitive proof ever surface? Will ones name ever be fully restored? How far reaching are these assumptions? Will the unproven assumption turn into a internet truth? :nixweiss

As as previously stated, I have not used PB products in a long while (about 2 years). My contrary statements was for all vendors, members and even Autopia staff that also could be placed in this position of defending themselves. Quilty until proven innocent. Not a very amicable position to be in.

If this was a direct product test and discussion of those results with both sides being presented, I believe this thread would have been to the benefit to everyone involved.



No apology from you is needed but if you were directly offended by my unhappiness on what has brewed from your post/question, I extend my apologies.

Now Burlyq, get a sample from one of the curious and do a test. :cool:
 
JaredPointer said:
However, I think it could have been addressed in a less suspect way with a little more class.
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You try to find the truth and maintain a "high class" posture, and good luck. Rather than be high class and live a lie, I'd rather be a low class bottom-feeding-scrub living the truth baby. Through the years I have wasted money on too many products and spent too much money for others, and everytime I do either I get more and more chapped about it. I like to think of myself as an educated shopper these days, NO company and I mean NO COMPANY is beyond Scrutiny. David B didn't run and hide from the truth, he explained what he was doing with Sonus, and I freaking commend him on it. If it is good enough for the Mayor to tell the truth, then Damm*t so should all the other co's....



Suspect? Funny, you need to learn more about BurlyQ. For the record, I am Affiliated with no company. I got kicked off another detailing site for talking about Glare, and nobody was reseptive and they never tried it, so I wondered why. It's because at that site everyone on it are sheep that follow the agenda of the vested owner of the unnamed site. Does that happen here? heck no. I am even amazed that the moderators talk about any product line freely, that doesn't happen on any other detailing site that I am aware of. Autopia is a place were we challenge the product, any product so long as it is done with tact, because here it is more about process. Now, Glare is getting some respect on this site because people here are more open minded. Many products have their place in detailing w/o being the best.



I also really like Zaino and Menzerna amoung other lines, why, because the results are there and they are unique like Glare. I'm not hiding from the products I like if that's ok. If I found out any of these companies were rebottling cheap stuff and pretending to be unique I would walk away from them in a second, anybody want to burst my bubble feel free and I will thank you not say that you have no class.



Detailing is a big part of my life. I am getting away from being a "detailer" for profit because I'm getting older and my body cannot keep up. I am making more money in CA RealEstate than I ever made in detailing, but detailing is my passion. I also am starting a detailing show that will be aired soon. So if anyone thinks I am shaddy that's your own Paranoia and I wonder who YOU are working for? As for me, I'm just on a two decade journey for the perfect shine.
 
94BlkStang said:
Professional doesn't define the quality or volume of work, only that you get paid to do it. There are professional doctors, lawyers, mechanics etc that I would never let get near me, but they are still professionals. Just as amatuer doesn't make one less qualified. It merely states that it isn't something they do for a living.:D
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Well said.
 
Z28,

All Poorboys has to do is answer the post, "No those aren't the same not even close, and that will be the end of it, if it's true." I don't have any desire to hurt Poorboys and before I talk about the two products I will do a test. Even if I have to buy the stuff you have my word I will test SSR's. I never hide from the fact that I haven't tried them. But am I going to get cornholed if I find the two are very very similar? Probably, but i will do it anyhow. If I am way off I will admit it, but I never made the statement that they are the same, just that the similarities are erie.
 
For the record I'm not a vendor anymore. OCDpharmacy.com still exists, but its not run by me. I got tired of people devaluing my advice just because I sold product. So now I don't sell anything and you can take what I say for what its worth.
 
I couldn't really say. I only recently used any of poorboy's products so I'm not really an expert. When i say 'recently' I mean 3 days ago. I don't have anything to compare it too. However, I will say that none of this is news in the industry. All I need to say are two things. S100 and P21S. They have been around for years and there has never been any real controversy over what they are. I can't tell any difference other than S100 has recently been tinted a little yellow. I'll continue to use whichever is cheaper since I don't see any other advantage of one versus the other. When performance is the same then it all comes down to price.
 
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