Poorboys Polishes or is it Memorex?

[holland_patrick]

Why is it viewed as something negative if consumers know that Product X is relabeled? Could it be because the markup imposed by some of the vendors doing this is so ridiculous? Making money rebottling products is fine. Outrageous markups and claiming you make the product yourself are not.



The detailing industry is filled with shady stuff like this, and for the first time Autopia is getting at taste of it. Some might view it as an attack, others might view it as meaningful conversation, but that is the way this industry is, like it or not.

Seeing that Steve does have product out there that NO ONE ELSE HAS He must be working with someone who mixes stuff up in a wonderful way so I don't belive that he get's his stuff from there and even if he does he puts money in to making newer products which makes me happy.





Patrick:wall :tribe: :hairpull

 

[BradE]

This post will not be moderated for many reasons $$$$.

Explain.



So it's not ok for others to make innuendos about rebottling, but it's ok for you to imply this thread won't be moderated for some illegitimate reason?

 

[JaredPointer]

If it were really all about "customer awareness," why, exactly, did it take the owner of a company that is in competition to "point it out?" Personally, I think it lacked tact. People know how business works. I don't agree with dishonesty about products and such, but I would imagine most of these "boutique" companies have someone else make the majority of their product. But then again, I don't work for those companies, so who am I to be making assumptions about their product? Sounds like advice more people should follow. I seriously doubt this thread would go on like this if it "called out" the House Brand like some of the other comapnies bring questioned here.

 

[AlexRuiz]

I think the solution is very simple:



- RedondoV6 has the chemical guys products, and he is willing to share the stuff. Someone is VERY familiar with poorboys SSR should volunteer to test them both side by side using identical methods. Report ANY difference found, paying special attention to the BEHAVIOR. Done.



I also thought it was answered before in the pro gone boutique thread. I placed special emphasis in behavior of both products in the previous paragraph because results will surely be similar, as someone else pointed very sharply: Very Different products will yield similar end results. BEHAVIOR is what makes the difference.





Alex

 

[imported_memnuts]

If it were really all about "customer awareness," why, exactly, did it take the owner of a company that is in competition to "point it out?" Personally, I think it lacked tact. People know how business works. I don't agree with dishonesty about products and such, but I would imagine most of these "boutique" companies have someone else make the majority of their product. But then again, I don't work for those companies, so who am I to be making assumptions about their product? Sounds like advice more people should follow. I seriously doubt this thread would go on like this if it "called out" the House Brand like some of the other comapnies bring questioned here.

I think this answered both your questions before I could write anything. (DG and BradE).

 

[BradE]

So the issue isn't with the message, but with the messenger?



I understand the concern, one vendor "outing" another does seem rather suspect, and isn't something you see very often. Even still, the information is useful regardless of the source.

 

[JaredPointer]

So the issue isn't with the message, but with the messenger?



I understand the concern, one vendor "outing" another does seem rather suspect, and isn't something you see very often. Even still, the information is useful regardless of the source.

Not necessarily. Information is always good, and I agree consumers should make their own decisions. There's also nothing wrong with trying to save a buck or two. However, I think it could have been addressed in a less suspect way with a little more class.

 

[Mark Waldron]

I would like to know how many people questioning PB's formula actually detail full time? If you only do a few cars here and there, why would you want gallon size containers that will probably go bad before you could use it all. The professionals go through products much, much faster than the enthusiusts and that's why they buy from the big boys who sell in volume. Steve stated his case about his product line and because the colors are the same, he's on trial for something he didn't even do. Good Lord people. It seems as it definitely has become a witch hunt around here.

 

[BradE]

I would like to know how many people questioning PB's formula actually detail full time? If you only do a few cars here and there, why would you want gallon size containers that will probably go bad before you could use it all. The professionals go through products much, much faster than the enthusiusts and that's why they buy from the big boys who sell in volume. Steve stated his case about his product line and because the colors are the same, he's on trial for something he didn't even do. Good Lord people. It seems as it definitely has become a witch hunt around here.

Part of the problem is questioning product and methods is no longer accepted here. The minute anyone questions ANYTHING or ANY product you're labeled as a "basher" or "hater" or you on a witch hunt. Autopia has become more about product cheerleading than actually discussing, and questioning, the validity of detailing products and processes as a whole. It's sad, because it didn't used to be that way.

 

[JaredPointer]

Part of the problem is questioning product and methods is no longer accepted here. The minute anyone questions ANYTHING or ANY product you're labeled as a "basher" or "hater" or you on a witch hunt. Autopia has become more about product cheerleading than actually discussing, and questioning, the validity of detailing products and processes as a whole. It's sad, because it didn't used to be that way.

Again, not necessaily. It's all in the way it's approached.

 

[JJ_]

Does anyone have a website for the stuff "similar" to poorboys? wouldn't mind trying it on some customers cars. I will, however, still use poorboys on my car as I love the smell of EX-P lol



Thanks.

 

[goceltics34]

Part of the problem is questioning product and methods is no longer accepted here. The minute anyone questions ANYTHING or ANY product you're labeled as a "basher" or "hater" or you on a witch hunt. Autopia has become more about product cheerleading than actually discussing, and questioning, the validity of detailing products and processes as a whole. It's sad, because it didn't used to be that way.

I am a fairly new member and agree with BradE. What is wrong with questioning whether a product is relabeled and sold at an enormous markup? Aren't we here to help each other find the best products althewhile helping each other save a buck or two if possible. If (and it's a big if) these products are the exact same, why wouldn't you buy at the cheaper rates? BTW I could care less if boutique company's relabel products and sell at a significant markup. I would just rather buy it from the original source and save a load of money. I think way too many member are getting defensive about this topic. :chill:

 

[Bill D]

Again, not necessaily. It's all in the way it's approached.

:2thumbs:

 

[imported_memnuts]

The point I was making is that NO ONE has bother to back up their assumptions and innuendos with facts or even comparsion testing.



Unfortunately, the bashing has been done. Yes, it is sad.



DetailGirl: I am not a vendor or a for-pay detailer. I love detailing have so for over 45 years. My products of choice is the Zaino line and I know I will never have to read a thread of this type against this product. Does that make it fair a to allow bashing of another product line without confirmed facts. No!!!

I have not even used PB products in the last 2 years. It was the principle of this thread that was sooooo bothersome. I hate to exposure myself but if a "potential" injustice is happening I will speak my mind.



Come back with facts and an intelligent conversation about the re-labelling, re-formulation, profit margin and such can be discussed.

 

[imported_truzoom]

I think for many people, or at least for me, it's a matter of being a smart shopper. I figure the majority of people here are mid 20's+, and pretty financially stable, so spending the extra dollar isn't a big difference, but I know for a fact that some of us Autopians are college or high school kids that detail on the side or just want to get more bang for our buck. We are in no way saying that what boutique vendors are doing is wrong, but we live in a free market and if product A works the same as product B, but product B is cheaper, then why not give it a shot?



Someone pointed out that many people choose Tide detergent, which is probably one of the more expensive brands, but in the end it accomplishes the same thing as a lower brand detergent like All or Sun. The same for many generic branded products on the market; why pay high prices for the name alone? Does it make you feel better? If I were to go shopping for clothes, I could go get an Old Navy polo shirt for about $19.50, or I could get a Ralph Lauren one for $65, but I choose the Old Navy one because it looks the same (with exception of the logo), feels the same, and will most likely last just as long (not to mention most people could care less what brand you wear).



I don't think anyone in here is trying to say that we should all boycott Poorboy's or Adam's, because pricejacking is something we are all familiar with. I can't speak for everyone else, but I know that it would be interesting to see a comparision between ChemGuys products and the leading boutique's stuff, because my frugal nature is itching to find a great deal.

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

Again, not necessaily. It's all in the way it's approached.

Oh man, how Sad is that....



Hey BradE, next time maybe we should bring some chocolates and presents and try to be more Nice about the way we bring subjects up so that some of the more senstive folk here don't get their feelings hurt.

 

[JaredPointer]

Oh man, how Sad is that....



Hey BradE, next time maybe we should bring some chocolates and presents and try to be more Nice about the way we bring subjects up so that some of the more senstive folk here don't get their feelings hurt.

What's wrong with being tactful or having good taste about something? Does that get thrown out the door when you join up over here or something?

 

[imported_DetailGirl1]

The point I was making is that NO ONE has bother to back up their assumptions and innuendos with facts or even comparsion testing.



Unfortunately, the bashing has been done. Yes, it is sad.



DetailGirl: I am not a vendor or a for-pay detailer. I love detailing have have so for over 45 years. My products of choice is the Zaino line and know I will never have to face a thread of this type against this product. Does that make it fair a to allow bashing of another product line without confirmed facts. No!!!

I do not even used PB products in the last 2 years. IT was the principle of this thread that was sooooo bothersome. I hate to exposure myself but if a "potential" injustice is happening I will speak my mind.



Come back with facts and a intelligent conversation about the re-labelling, re-formulation, profit margin and such can be discussed.

Fair enough. I have said my peace and stand behind it. And personally I like the direction that Autopia is heading and I think DavidB has taken great strides in cleaning the place up. Let the hacks go over to detailcity (waiting on flame) and beat eachother up. But I do partically agree with BradE, if you even bring something up where you speculate something different from the masses as of late, you do seem to face the wrath.



Its just a faze, all online communitites go through them. Look at OffTopic. I know for fact that there are quite a few people here that post there as well (reserves the names to protect the guilty, I mean innocent ) Ups and downs, times of unrest and times of peace and universal brotherhood. Dont let a few posts here and there that you do not agree with or see eye to eye on the way that they are handled drive you away or discourage you from posting here. If you are going to get that bent out of an online group I cannot imagine how you would deal with things in real life. Its like Frankie says, Relax.

 

[imported_DetailGirl1]

Oh man, how Sad is that....



Hey BradE, next time maybe we should bring some chocolates and presents and try to be more Nice about the way we bring subjects up so that some of the more senstive folk here don't get their feelings hurt.

Now was that necessary? Its that type of post that contributes to the negativity.

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

What's wrong with being tactful or having good taste about something? Does that get thrown out the door when you join up over here or something?

Nothing's wrong with that. Can you show me what post in this thread you have such a big problem with? I don't think burlyq or anyone else was hiding their intentions or acting suspect (as you call it). Do you seriously think this thread was bad? Where the heck have you been the past several months?



People are having a disagreement in this thread...no one is shouting or yelling or casting insults at each other (sarcasm maybe). What do you expect when people disagree?