Poorboys Polishes or is it Memorex?

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goceltics34 said:
I care if I can buy it at an enormous discount from that Chemical Guy's site. If it's the same stuff just rebottled, who wouldn't want to get it that cheap?:nixweiss
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That's entirely up to you, but $15.00 to $20.00 a bottle for stuff that has been shown over time to be an excellent product is hardly being gouged. If you want to look at alternative products and it's cheaper and works to your staisfaction then that's the route you should take. Many people think a $5.00 jar of Turtle Wax works excelent for them. :cool:
 
94BlkStang said:
That's entirely up to you, but $15.00 to $20.00 a bottle for stuff that has been shown over time to be an excellent product is hardly being gouged. If you want to look at alternative products and it's cheaper and works to your staisfaction then that's the route you should take. Many people think a $5.00 jar of Turtle Wax works excelent for them. :cool:
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Lets see...



$50.95 for 1 Gallon of Poorboy's SSR 1



OR



$20.50 for 1 Gallon of Chemical Guys Light Compound



(prices straight off both company's websites)



IF both products work the same, wouldn't it make sense to buy the latter?



I mean, I detail at least three to four cars a month. For me, gallon sizes make sense (especially with trim and tire dressings). For the average person who may wax their car once every three to four months, there is no real need to get a gallon of wax.
 
RCBuddha said:
Lets see...



$50.95 for 1 Gallon of Poorboy's SSR 1



OR



$20.50 for 1 Gallon of Chemical Guys Light Compound



(prices straight off both company's websites)



IF both products work the same, wouldn't it make sense to buy the latter?



I mean, I detail at least three to four cars a month. For me, gallon sizes make sense (especially with trim and tire dressings). For the average person who may wax their car once every three to four months, there is no real need to get a gallon of wax.
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Works the same or are the same are two entirely different things. If you can get the same results or similar results out of less expensive products and are satisfied, then that's the route you should choose. People choose products for various reasons. Tide is one of the most popular and expensive laundry soaps, but others choose to go with the generic brand for half price and feel they can get the same results. It's all a matter of choice. Let's use your example of the $50.00/gallon product to the $20.00/gallon product and you can get 50 cars out of each of those gallons. The cost for the product per vehicle is $1.00 for the expensive stuff and $.40 for the lower cost product. With 3 to 4 cars a month it adds up to $1.80 to $2.40 per month more for the more expensive product. As you can see, it's really not that big of a deal.:)
 
WOW is all I can say.

Autopia used to be a detailing site with general acceptance of the real world marketing aspects of detailing products. This place has turned into nothing more than a witch hunt lately.



Does anyone really think that a product like Souveran or the hi-end Zymol cost as much as they asked-for purchased price? Did they actually make their specialized carnuaba, oils, polymers, etc.



Has the detailing dollars really become so tight that demeaning threads are created to eliminate competition?



When I purchase something from Zaino, Autopia Store, Meguiar's, CMA, AutoGeek,Poorboy's, ExcelDetail, WCD, etc. I do with the understanding that they are in this for business (to make money). Call me a capitalist but I see nothing wrong with the big picture in mind. I hope they make a profit in order that they stay around and keep developing more fine car care products.

By the way, my Escalade does not have $50,000 worth of material in it nor did my Acura. Both took lesser /cheaper models in their line-up, added some fancy dressing and a new label and jacked the price up. It's call capitalism and unfortunately the world functions with this ideology. This may not be a great example for people that know automobles but many people think their Ford Expedition is a completely different animal from a F150/250 cousin, their VW from a Audi, Toyota from Lexus, ect, etc.



Yes, the tone has changed here. This thread should have been "Look at what I have done with products I purchased from ChemXXX.". I wonder will the creator of this post report back if his findings do not add up to his questions. Just venting because I find it rather displeasing with the present tone about products. (i.e. "new Klasse") and vendors on this forum. Let me stab you in the back with a smilie. :nixweiss



To me this whole thread is a personal attack, not becoming to Autopia in general, extremely distasteful, many unfounded assumptions and should have been removed.



Have you been to MacDonald's lately? That 1/4 lb'er with cheese really cost $4 to make? We deal with mark-ups every day and are willing to pay for the convenience. A professional detailer should not be looking at or using boutique sized products in the first place unless his prices match the products he uses. Vendors like Autopia Store, Exceldetail, Poorboy's, Tropica-Care, etc. provide a service that most are willing to pay for. A gallon of an generic wax is unless and wasteful to me, so in order to purchase the amounts that meet my needs, people like PB provide an essential service. Heck, if he get rich off of providing this service. Congratulations to him. No envy or financial strain on my end.
 
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To me this whole thread is a personal attack, not becoming to Autopia in general, extremely distasteful, many unfounded assumptions and should have been removed.
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I totally disagree with this. This is a civil discussion. No one is yelling at eachother, no one is abusing anyone. Its an honest and open discussion about a product and two companies. That is what Autopia IS about. Honest discussion about detailing, and this falls under that. You talk about assumptions, should we remove all asumptions that members make about all products? I look forward to the continuation of this thread and the discussion that comes from it.
 
I read the answer as NO!. But then I've tried a lot of cheap products and threw them out. PB's stuff works for me and that's what is important. I think the thread actually outed a California firm and not the one being hit with innuendo here. Shame!
 
"I am wondering if the SSR's are rebottled Chemical-Guys stuff anybody know for sure? I have used Chemical Guys polishes but I haven't tried SSR's."



This first line is quite loaded. Please read between the lines.

If you find this discussion informative and worth discussion that is your opinion to calculate.



Civil. Yes. that is why I made the statement:

Let me stab you in the back with a smilie.





I stated mind.
 
If its the same product and does the same thing, but just turns out to be rebottled or labeled (and thats what was asked), would you like to pay $50.00 or $25.00. If you are in business to make a profit you must watch your dollar and cents, if not you wont be in business very long.
 
From my venting above. I touch on your point quite clearly:



"A professional detailer should not be looking a boutique quanity products in the first place unless his prices match the products he uses. Vendors like Autopia Store, Exceldetail, Poorboy's, Tropica-Care, etc. provide a service that most are willing to pay for.
 
I always viewed sampling and experimenting with a multitude of different products to be a huge part of the enthusiast's hobby. It's almost as fun as seeing the great results capable of being produced by the "right" combination of products for you.



I see this situation as another opportunity to continue to do so. See what they do for yourself. I find many of us are ever changing the products we are using to accommodate for the results we obtained through experimentation. Sure, like any hobby, there is a cost involved and that cost is always being tailored as a result of the sampling of different products.( not buying the stuff you don't end up liking any more, continuing buying the stuff you do and trying out other interesting products that come along all in fun)



And also, we must not forget, results and their beauty are in the eye of the beholder and the ever existent "your mileage may vary". The bottom line is it's fun, even exciting. It's what makes the rest of the population think we're way off our rockers :D ;) If nothing more, if you are curious,add Chemical Guys to the list to try and compare it to whatever you currently have. Your personal verdict is always the most important one.





:wavey
 
Bill D said:
I always viewed sampling and experimenting with a multitude of different products to be a huge part of the enthusiast's hobby. It's almost as fun as seeing the great results capable of being produced by the "right" combination of products for you.



I see this situation as another opportunity to continue to do so. See what they do for yourself. I find many of us are ever changing the products we are using to accommodate for the results we obtained through experimentation. Sure, like any hobby, there is a cost involved and that cost is always being tailored as a result of the sampling of different products.( not buying the stuff you don't end up liking any more, continuing buying the stuff you do and trying out other interesting products that come along all in fun)



And also, we must not forget, results and their beauty are in the eye of the beholder and the ever existent "your mileage may vary". The bottom line is it's fun, even exciting. It's what makes the rest of the population think we're way off our rockers :D ;) If nothing more, if you are curious,add Chemical Guys to the list to try and compare it to whatever you currently have. Your personal verdict is always the most important one.





:wavey
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Bill, I agree with you completely about trying new products. My distaste stems from innuendos about re-labelling, re-bottling and profit margins. This thread should send a signal out to all vendors (middle men) that they may be next defending themselves against such chatter.
 
Why is it viewed as something negative if consumers know that Product X is relabeled? Could it be because the markup imposed by some of the vendors doing this is so ridiculous? Making money rebottling products is fine. Outrageous markups and claiming you make the product yourself are not.



The detailing industry is filled with shady stuff like this, and for the first time Autopia is getting at taste of it. Some might view it as an attack, others might view it as meaningful conversation, but that is the way this industry is, like it or not.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Bill, I agree with you completely about trying new products. My distaste stems from innuendos about re-labelling, re-bottling and profit margins. This thread should send a signal out to all vendors (middle men) that they may be next defending themselves against such chatter.
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It is our right as citizens of a democratic country to question whatever we see fit. No one is saying that the vendors have to defend themselves, but that does not mean that we do not have the right to question what we want. If it falls under inappropriate conduct, I am sure that the moderators will do their jobs and handle it in the Autopian manner in which we have all become acustom to.
 
BradE said:
Making money rebottling products is fine. Outrageous markups and claiming you make the product yourself are not.
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It's almost as bad as knowing about it for a long time and then publicly "pretending" like you just found out about it.
 
If you read the site you would see that you can have them make ANYTHING you want. They will make custom formulas OR make changes to their formulas for you.
 
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