Poorboys EX - What's the deal?

My review still stands. I haven't tried EX-P, so I can't comment on it, but I didn't think EX was anyting EXceptional. It does apply and remove easily though.
 
6']['9 said:
i dont like it and i have 2 bottles of it. But then again its not the product its process which will make or break the lsp.

1cleanws6 did a bad *** job of using the ex
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If you're not happy with the EX are you looking to get rid of a bottle? I've been wanting to give it a try. I have some Meguiars #20, some Meguiars #80 hand polish and some Cherry Wet Wax that I can offer in trade.



email me at kidscoach3@aol.com and let me know one way or the other:xyxthumbs
 
L33 said:
I read the reviews, if you read my post the first line is in reply (and several others) to your "No Clue why Poorboy's is hated"

what you use is up to you.
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You asked if there was confusion over EX and EX-P so I figured you might want to reread the reviews so you would see there is no confusion between the two. :nixweiss
 
MattZ28 said:
Thanks all for the honest opinions. EX and Natty's is definitely going to be my next combo to try.



Sean - you posting pics of your car = thirty less dollars in my wallet :lol
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:D



It'll be worth it though. I promise!





On a side note, I was S+W'ing a customer's truck in the parking lot today and I had some guy ask me what I was using to clean a slightly dirty car with nothing but the product and towel as well as dress the tires/wells/plastic trim so quickly.



I wrote down " www.poorboysworld.com - Spray 'N Wipe, Bold 'N Bright" on a piece of paper and he was sold. (Just a quick touch up for the customer BTW)



Just giving credit where credit is due :xyxthumbs
 
Yup, that spray and wipe sure is some amazing stuff.....I didn't even buy the small bottle, I went straight for the gallon because I knew it would be good :D
 
Very interesting.



I've found by reading a lot here that BW and bretfraz have very similar preferences in what they are looking for in a product (Greg, I don't know enough about your likes and dislikes).





The fact that they both dislike EX tells me a couple things:



1) That they are seeing the same thing with EX. In other words, I can trust that they got the same results. The consistency lets me know that the product really does have characteristics that are describeable and repeatable.



2) The most important thing any of us can do for our fellow Autopians is to give a 100% honest review of a product, and to be consistent in our evaluations. That consistency is the key to the next step and the next understanding....



3) You can use a consistent reviewer who you disagree with much more reliably than you can someone who gushes over every product indiscriminately.







I know that I have different values from these two Autopians; unfortunately for me, the correlation isn't 100%. Sometimes I disagree with them, and sometimes I agree. But even with that, I can read a bretfraz review and I can "see" what he's seeing, and I can pretty much tell if I'm going to go with him or against him, based on how he describes it. Same with BW. In the case of EX, I haven't tried it yet, so I can't comment. I would say, based on reading all the reviews, that it very probably won't be a good product for me.



But in the case of reviewers, the most important thing a reviewer can do for his audience is to be honest, descriptive, discriminating, and consistent. That way, EVERYONE can trust his judgement. The strong reviewer doesn't mind if you disagree with him; the strong reviewer wants his barometer to be useful to EVERYONE.



THAT is why bretfraz, BW, and many others are such a tremendous asset to this community. Gushing over every product tells us nothing.



I have tried Natty's Wax, btw, and I liked it just fine.



(What did that tell you about Natty's? Nothing.)



Tom
 
My 2 cents, Steve is one of the nicest people you will ever work with and his products are ALL professional grade. I have nothing but respect for Poorboys and what he represents. Gary
 
Mosca said:
Very interesting.



I've found by reading a lot here that BW and bretfraz have very similar preferences in what they are looking for in a product (Greg, I don't know enough about your likes and dislikes).





The fact that they both dislike EX tells me a couple things:



1) That they are seeing the same thing with EX. In other words, I can trust that they got the same results. The consistency lets me know that the product really does have characteristics that are describeable and repeatable.



2) The most important thing any of us can do for our fellow Autopians is to give a 100% honest review of a product, and to be consistent in our evaluations. That consistency is the key to the next step and the next understanding....



3) You can use a consistent reviewer who you disagree with much more reliably than you can someone who gushes over every product indiscriminately.







I know that I have different values from these two Autopians; unfortunately for me, the correlation isn't 100%. Sometimes I disagree with them, and sometimes I agree. But even with that, I can read a bretfraz review and I can "see" what he's seeing, and I can pretty much tell if I'm going to go with him or against him, based on how he describes it. Same with BW. In the case of EX, I haven't tried it yet, so I can't comment. I would say, based on reading all the reviews, that it very probably won't be a good product for me.



But in the case of reviewers, the most important thing a reviewer can do for his audience is to be honest, descriptive, discriminating, and consistent. That way, EVERYONE can trust his judgement. The strong reviewer doesn't mind if you disagree with him; the strong reviewer wants his barometer to be useful to EVERYONE.



THAT is why bretfraz, BW, and many others are such a tremendous asset to this community. Gushing over every product tells us nothing.



I have tried Natty's Wax, btw, and I liked it just fine.



(What did that tell you about Natty's? Nothing.)



Tom
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Tom, very well said. Another stellar post. I'm pretty much dead on with the old timers when it comes to product likes and dislikes. So when I saw BW and Bret's reviews of EX, I knew it was not the product for me. Same with NXT, though I'll probably try it just for kicks since I can pick it up locally.



Gary, I think your post highlights one of the problems with autopia. Too many people like the guy/girlbehind a product, and then also 'happen' to like products as well. Often times I think when products are reviewed, some of us are reviewing the person behind it instead of the product itself.



No flame intended. And I'm not doubting or questioning your integrity or credibility. Just using your post as an example.



Bill.
 
Not offended in any way. from my own perspective I would welcome ANY feedback be in general or specific to any supplier. Too many products on the market, I just need a few that work well and do what they are supposed to. That was my point. Gary
 
Mosca said:
Very interesting.



I've found by reading a lot here that BW and bretfraz have very similar preferences in what they are looking for in a product (Greg, I don't know enough about your likes and dislikes).





Tom
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I am not one of those guys who can't leave his paint finish alone for more than 3 days. I used to be, but I am too busy any more to be like that. I am the guy who wants his car to look awesome all the time, but I just want to be able to wash it once a week and not have to reapply anything for a couple of months. I applied EX to a clean surface (clayed and polished), I even did an IPA wipedown before applying to ensure "bonding." Well EX doesn't bond in my opinion. It is still in my opinion a "goop" product, it does leave the surface slick until the next wash when its all but gone. Like I said in my review, my bottle busted and it leaked over everything. I wasn't that mad about it, but it did leave everything oily and greasy, which led me to the conclusion that it relies heavily on oils to provide the original slickness, not unlike a lot of products however.



Steve told me there are no oils in EX, but based on my personal experience, this is probably not entirely true.



I can say my experience echos that of BW and bret pretty closely, except I never had the removal troubles that bret had on the couple cars I used it on.

So I am a durability guy, and EX didn't reach anything that I would consider even decent durability. Honestly, I thought Souveran lasted longer than EX.
 
Greg said:
I wasn't that mad about it, but it did leave everything oily and greasy, which led me to the conclusion that it relies heavily on oils to provide the original slickness, not unlike a lot of products however.



Steve told me there are no oils in EX, but based on my personal experience, this is probably not entirely true.
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Last night i was going to use my ex but nothing but water/oil came out cause i didnt shake it. I dont mean to call any one a liar or to disrespect anyone but does the EX have Oils in it :confused:

Any how i went over my Expedition with ssr1, PP, EX ill post pics tonight. i guess it doesnt look that bad after all
 
Greg,



Thanks for the insight. I AM one of those guys who likes to work on my car all the time. Hence my preference for "beauty waxes" and natural waxes over synthetics.



I'll try the EX and report what I see. The synthetic that is most "waxlike" to me is NXT. Maybe EX is a contender there. If it washes right off in the rain, though, that would be bad.



I met Steve last month, he's a great guy. I talked with him for about an hour.



And the Natty Carnauba is a very nice carnauba wax, inbetween #16 and S100. It's another good choice in that arena. It's not Souv, or #26, or Ultra Carnauba, but it's really nice.





Tom
 
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing that beats a fresh coat of Souveran and I like the way it looks, but I just am beginning to prefer the ease of use of synethetics that last longer. However, after doing the same prep for Souveran that I did with Zaino, I saw hardly any difference in the look of the paint. I really couldn't be happier with Zaino right now.



I chased all the fads and the pictures when I was new, but have found at least for right now, the product/system that works the best for me and don't want to spend any more money on subpar products.
 
6']['9 said:
Last night i was going to use my ex but nothing but water/oil came out cause i didnt shake it. I dont mean to call any one a liar or to disrespect anyone but does the EX have Oils in it :confused:

Any how i went over my Expedition with ssr1, PP, EX ill post pics tonight. i guess it doesnt look that bad after all
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The pics like i said, i didnt like EX but i like it now :cool:
 
Mosca said:
Very interesting.



The fact that they both dislike EX tells me a couple things:.....THAT is why bretfraz, BW, and many others are such a tremendous asset to this community. Gushing over every product tells us nothing.

Tom
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The fact they both dislike like it only tells me they both dislike it. It certaining doesn't prove anything in my book and since other people like it I think it's an open question.

My own experience tells me they are either missing out on a good thing or have a climate problem or something when using EX.

Since I have used these products, EX-P being my favorite of the two, and seeing excellent results and 16+ weeks durability, and counting, I have to make this gushy report about how good it looks too.



I'll try something and make up my own mind, thank you, as I have found sometimes "valuable resources", not meaning anyone mentioned above, are just plain wrong, unlucky or elitists. Sometimes a good "gushing report" is closer to the truth then someone's thoughtful opinion. I say, when in doubt, try it yourself.
 
MartyGrant said:
The fact they both dislike like it only tells me they both dislike it. It certaining doesn't prove anything in my book and since other people like it I think it's an open question.

My own experience tells me they are either missing out on a good thing or have a climate problem or something when using EX.

Since I have used these products, EX-P being my favorite of the two, and seeing excellent results and 16+ weeks durability, and counting, I have to make this gushy report about how good it looks too.



I'll try something and make up my own mind, thank you, as I have found sometimes "valuable resources", not meaning anyone mentioned above, are just plain wrong, unlucky or elitists. Sometimes a good "gushing report" is closer to the truth then someone's thoughtful opinion. I say, when in doubt, try it yourself.
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Of course it is important to try things for yourself. Totally agreed. But the reality is, not everyone can try every product. That's where reviews come in handy. The problem with Autopia is that the reviews here are not very reliable. Every product is the best! Every product is 'deep and wet'! Some people here have claimed claimed months of durability out of carnuba only to find out later that they applied it over 10 coats of Zaino :rolleyes: . "Does that really make a difference?" Yes, in fact it does.



Bill.
 
BillNorth said:
....The problem with Autopia is that the reviews here are not very reliable. Every product is the best! Every product is 'deep and wet'!....



Bill.
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Yes. I agree, Bill. I guess that's right. But, maybe it's sort of true also that every product is the best...in the eye of the beholder.

People can't always tell 95% WOW from 99% WOW..., 50% from 90% yes but if they claim something really outrageous people know and call them on it. I really can't tell if WG, EX or EX-P is "better" at 14 weeks. So far they are really close ro at least beyond my perceptive ability to want to brag about one over the other. They both WOW me and I'm getting such good results putting it on other peoples cars that I honestly don't know which to recommend to them when I offer them choices. It usually comes down to them looking at my white car or my black truck. All I can do is report what I see and hope it has some value to someone who from that post can say....I'll probably get 3 months and that's all I want. The one thing I won't do, or any of the regulars here I'm sure, is flat out hype something. Reports may be bad, I guess, because subjective beauty and calculated quality are not easily standardized. Durability, beading, PICTURES...that means the most to me. OR someone doing a controlled panel report. I read these with more "concentration". WOW, pretty, deep wet, yummie, and so-so are all things best experienced for one's self and then you have the information you really need. Got to run, life is calling me back work...
 
The one thing that is important about this is the fact that discussion on this forum often serves to introduce us to product lines.

I decided to try Poorboy's products because I saw some fantastic results by Scottwax and several other members. I have been very pleased and frankly may not have learned about these products if it wasn't for the forum. I'm very happy with EX-P but I'm not suggesting a comparison with Zaino or Meg's products. I'm quite sure I could get good results with them as well; it's just that I am happy with PB now.

I also like Steve's approach to his customers and competitors.
 
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