POLL: To Coat or Not to Coat????

To Coat or Not to Coat?

  • Heck yeah

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Heck no

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I ain't telling

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  • Total voters
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David Fermani

Forza Auto Salon
I raised this point on another forum and wanted to share it here in the sake of brainstorming and good discussion. This is to be considered in a hypothetical scenario where you had the chance to Opticoat/Guard approximately 35 vehicles for a potential client. They are all about 1-2 years old, white in color and are company cars that go through the tunnel wash on a regular basis. They are willing to pay $350 per car to wash, decon and apply coating to the paint only. Nothing more is needed, requested or wanted by the client. That's an easy $10,000+ in revenue for a client who has ZERO confirmed interest in the swirls that are already in their paint. Now things to consider are each vehicle could certainly benefit from paint correction, but the client is only interested in clean and protected paint. The decon process could also consist of light tar and brake dust removal. Again, no scratch removal.





AS A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSMAN & DETAILER: Do you say "YES" or "NO"????
 
I say hell yeah... Bring em on!



The ocd, perfectionist detailer in me says yuck, but the thought of that much extremely easy money hits me harder... I would love to say i got to do what the car needs everytime, but very seldom does a client tell me to have a ball and go crazy making their car perfect. I wish they did, but in most cases i am working with the clients budget.



If i were approached with that opportunity i would schedule those jobs immediately.
 
Garry Dean said:
I say hell yeah... Bring em on!



The ocd, perfectionist detailer in me says yuck, but the thought of that much extremely easy money hits me harder... I would love to say i got to do what the car needs everytime, but very seldom does a client tell me to have a ball and go crazy making their car perfect. I wish they did, but in most cases i am working with the clients budget.



If i were approached with that opportunity i would schedule those jobs immediately.



I'm with Garry! I would love to be able to correct each one correctly and net way more money but the client is already willing to spend X amount of dollars. I say go for it and get them scheduled and get the easy money.
 
Deep Gloss Auto Salon said:
I don't see the question here?



Do as the client says and just perform a wash, decon, and opti-coat. (with existing swirls in the paint)



OR



Inform the client the appropriate thing to do is to correct the paint, THEN apply the coating. Which would in turn net a higher return but more work. OR less work and still a ton of money.
 
For that amount of money I would do a better job than they're asking for.



A good car wash with decon, then a good pass with a forced rotation orbital using an orange pad and appropriate polish, then ipa and coat would take less than three hours per vehicle. I can live with that every day.



So, I'd say yes, but I'll give you what you're paying for, not just what you're asking for.



Robert
 
WhyteWizard said:
For that amount of money I would do a better job than they're asking for.



A good car wash with decon, then a good pass with a forced rotation orbital using an orange pad and appropriate polish, then ipa and coat would take less than three hours per vehicle. I can live with that every day.



So, I'd say yes, but I'll give you what you're paying for, not just what you're asking for.



Robert



THIS. :thx



ABC

Optimum Hyper Polish

Wipedown

Coat

Done.
 
I would say go for it too. The one thing I would make sure of, though, is that the customer fully understands what the coating is and is not capable of. I wouldn't want to do all that work, then a year later have them upset that some RIDS have been acquired and find myself having to deal with that problem.
 
It's just business. If they don't want an Autopian detail, screw it. Being in San Diego puts me around a lot of cheap and worthless labor/competition. When people ask for discounts I walk away. When they only want what they are paying for, whether it's an Autopian detail or not, I never question putting food on my table over my personal bias towards their decision. For $350 though, I agree that a once over with some polish would be worth giving them.



I just threw Opti-Coat on my girlfriends silver Mazda3 after only compounding with D300/MF cutting disc. Still has a lot of defects, but the car needs a repaint. A repaint is not in the budget, but $30 (DIY and using 1/2...if that, of the product) for a coat of OC to preserve what's left for a few more years...easy decision. (Paint was reading between 68-85 all over the car. Any further polishing would eat through whatever clear coat is left.) The car looks good enough for a DD and saved me a couple thousand dollars on repainting it.
 
WhyteWizard said:
A good car wash with decon, then a good pass with a forced rotation orbital using an orange pad and appropriate polish, then ipa and coat would take less than three hours per vehicle. I can live with that every day.



Granted it takes another 3+ hours to buff/reclean, but that adds up on 35 cars. Like over 100+ extra hours for this job!!! Another 2+ weeks of lost income potential just to pacify yourself because remember the customer doesn't care. Don't forget, his cars are already swirled and will continue to be even more swirled so your slight polishing will go down the crapper in a couple of scratch n washes.
 
While I don't like the idea of coating paint that is swirled up, that is a lot of money and it is what the customer wants. Currently I don't offer OC/OG without at least doing a claying/decon and a mild polish, and I also explain why to the client. If the customer absolutely insists on it then I may be willing to do it, but I don't agree with it.
 
David Fermani said:
Granted it takes another 3+ hours to buff/reclean, but that adds up on 35 cars. Like over 100+ extra hours for this job!!! Another 2+ weeks of lost income potential just to pacify yourself because remember the customer doesn't care. Don't forget, his cars are already swirled and will continue to be even more swirled so your slight polishing will go down the crapper in a couple of scratch n washes.



David,



I can easily do what I'm suggesting in under three hours total per car. Remember I do a complete colorsand in under 20 hours. For a job that size, I'd probably hire a car wash crew to prep the cars and do them each in well under two hours.



The job isn't happening in a vacuum, the client's friends and associates are going to see that work. It's taken me thirty years to build a reputation for honesty, dependability and providing good value for money. This isn't about pacifying myself it's about the long term.







Robert
 
Don't leave money on the table! Thats the reason business' fail. Take the money and opticoat all of them. Its obviously a fleet of vehicles. These people don't care about perfection. There care about clean, shiny, protected vehicles. This is a homerun in the other 95% of the business most Autopians don't cator to! Make this happen!
 
I voted "Heck Yeah".



Too many people on here and other detail boards get caught up in what THEY want to do to a car instead of what the CUSTOMER wants done. Satisfy the customer & put the money in the bank!
 
mshu7 said:
I voted "Heck Yeah".



Too many people on here and other detail boards get caught up in what THEY want to do to a car instead of what the CUSTOMER wants done. Satisfy the customer & put the money in the bank!



I disagree on some level. While we do need to be cognizant of out clients wants and needs, I don't believe we should always be willing to do everything they ask.



Lets say the above thread title and poll was changed to "To Hack or Not Hack". Instead of the client wanting 35 vehicles coated, he now wants them ONLY washed (no clay or decon), and buffed with a rotary buffer, equipped with a twisted wool pad, and a filler heavy glaze...



My business runs solely on my reputation and word of mouth, and that's one job I would not even think twice about turning down.



My only issue with applying Opti-Coat/Guard on top of swirled/scratched up paint is that you're locking in those defects, making a little more work for yourself or the next guy later down the road when polishing does need to be performed. I also feel that polishing aids in the cleaning and prepping of the paint, providing a better surface for the coating to bond to.





Just my $.02 :)
 
WhyteWizard said:
The job isn't happening in a vacuum, the client's friends and associates are going to see that work. It's taken me thirty years to build a reputation for honesty, dependability and providing good value for money. This isn't about pacifying myself it's about the long term.



RaskyR1 said:
My business runs solely on my reputation and word of mouth, and that's one job I would not even think twice about turning down.



My only issue with applying Opti-Coat/Guard on top of swirled/scratched up paint is that you're locking in those defects, making a little more work for yourself or the next guy later down the road when polishing does need to be performed. I also feel that polishing aids in the cleaning and prepping of the paint, providing a better surface for the coating to bond to.





Just my $.02 :)



I agree with both of these guys 100%. Perception and reputation is everything -- I don't have a separate business entity that is dedicated to lower end jobs for quick money. Everything that rolls out my door has my name behind it, and I wouldn't want anyone to see me putting out work of that caliber even for a fleet/commercial account.



And, that said, I think we're not taking into consideration how to truly leverage the full benefits Opti-Coat provides, here.



I'm going to assume that the company who owns this fleet also pays for the tunnel washes as part of its maintenance budget, correct? If so, when you meet with the fleet manager you should be bringing up some very important points:



1) How much are you paying out to the tunnel washes on a monthy/yearly basis for the fleet? What does that payout equate to (how many washes per vehicle/how often/etc.)



2) By running the vehicles through a tunnel wash, you are not only inducing additional swirling and defects in the paint, but once the vehicle is coated the abrasive wash will wear it away again. AND, you are potentially lowering the residual value of the vehicles when it becomes time to recycle and replace them.



If we're really looking at this as professional businesspeople, why are we not looking into purchasing or building at least one touchless automatic bay and selling it to them as a maintenance service? This has a few benefits:



1) By adding even just a one-step polish to the initial service, you are able to make a significant improvement in the vehicle's overall appearance and more than likely restore some degree of residual value in the process. This way, you're not chancing a negative impact on your brand image and reputation.



2) By converting the fleet over to touchless automatics, you are adding value to their initial investment (your $10,000 instant revenue) by ensuring the coating will last longer as compared to the swirl-o-matic and also keeping the vehicles looking better as a positive side effect. David has already done an excellent job of proving that Opti-Coat's dirt releasing properties enhance the cleaning ability of a touchless wash, and the strong detergents used in such washes do not have an effect on the durability of the coating.



3) While the initial outlay for a touchless bay can be pretty steep, by investing the profit from your initial service offering you are able to generate a long-term revenue stream. Since there are much fewer maintenance and wear items in a touchless bay versus a brush or cloth-type tunnel, your operating costs will be much lower and theoretically, you should be able to offer fleet accounts a competitive rate that serves as an incentive for those clients to keep coming back to you instead of the tunnel washes they currently utilize.



4) Another added benefit in doing this is that you create an entire new line of business that includes its own selling points. You can approach other fleets and have a proven-out solution that says "By paying $350 per car to have them prepped, polished, and coated, and then signing up for our touchless maintenance service which includes X number of washes per month at Y price, we were able to boost the residual value potential of a fleet of vehicles and reduce the company's fleet maintenance costs by Z percent." Sign a few fleets up and reinvest the large initial revenue you generate into the touchless bay(s), retain the fleets as wash customers, and you'll be profitable in short order without getting a hack's reputation.



Not to mention, you can still give retail customers access to your touchless as well (at a higher rate) and earn additional revenue that way.



As Barry said, businesses leaving money on the table is certainly a contributor to their failure; however I think an even bigger factor is not looking far enough into the future. Chasing quick and easy jobs that pay out big is great, but if you keep doing that you'll eventually find yourself running out of the jobs that give those large payouts. Generating something that will earn steady profit is what will sustain a business over the long haul. THAT is smart business.
 
RaskyR1 said:
I disagree on some level. While we do need to be cognizant of out clients wants and needs, I don't believe we should always be willing to do everything they ask.



Lets say the above thread title and poll was changed to "To Hack or Not Hack". Instead of the client wanting 35 vehicles coated, he now wants them ONLY washed (no clay or decon), and buffed with a rotary buffer, equipped with a twisted wool pad, and a filler heavy glaze...





Just my $.02 :)



I should have been more clear with my response. I completely agree with you about not hacking a vehicle and the particular example you gave. However, that wasn't what I was referring to, nor was David's post referring to that. My answer was based on the context of this thread. Obviously, doing things the proper way is a part of it. My point was to the folks that think you can't detail a car unless you're doing 100% paint perfection. Your business Chad, IMO, isn't the rule, but the exception. I don't think most detailers are pulling down $300 for a one-step exterior detail. I wish we all could though :) .
 
mshu7 said:
I should have been more clear with my response. I completely agree with you about not hacking a vehicle and the particular example you gave. However, that wasn't what I was referring to, nor was David's post referring to that. My answer was based on the context of this thread. Obviously, doing things the proper way is a part of it. My point was to the folks that think you can't detail a car unless you're doing 100% paint perfection. Your business Chad, IMO, isn't the rule, but the exception. I don't think most detailers are pulling down $300 for a one-step exterior detail. I wish we all could though :) .



I knew what you meant with your post Mike....just putting a different spin on the whole thing and giving others something more to think about. ;)
 
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