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Polishes???
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Deanski
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Polishes are used accoring to the type of finish and problems encountered.
Poorboys polishes are very user friendly and PC friendly as well. Their SSR2.5 makes for a good polish to remove swirls w/o leaving any haze as in other polishes. You can step down to SSR1 or Pro Polish. All very easy to use, sun or shade!
More "advanced" polishes require use of a rotary for the best results. Menzerna is one of the finest polishes out in the world, but they are mostly used in an OEM/Tier 1 type application where quick touch-ups are needed on the line. They have been used in the detail market and adapted by the newer/reformulated Final Polish II or Micro Polish. Same as FP, just a bit more lube so it can be worked longer via a PC or rotary.
Meguiars makes some very nice polishes for the detail trade and some find these a bit more useful in that they work well, have clear labeling and most can be worked with a PC or rotary. DACP is one of the most widely used due to the effect it has. It removes swirls and polishes at once. Most get a bit of haze, some get more depaending if a cut pad was used. Then, you have to polish out the haze with say Megs Machine Glaze or other glaze or polish.
Zaino Z5 really has very light hiding of swirls. They're still there, just hidden. The best way to enjoy Zaino results is to get the finish as swirl free and glossy as possible. Zaino Z2 for clearcoats is very clear and only will highlight any defects. You also have to remove all oils/waxes from the finish, mix up Z5 or Z2 with a catalyst called ZFX or use a pre-binder polish Z1 that you don't remove, but lay your Zaino Z2 on top of it.
Easy way around this: Poorboys EX-P. You'll get a great level of shine and it's much easier to apply and remove. I've used Zaino for some time, but find that there are products that are easier and give as close a shine level as Zaino.
Another is UPP. Klasse also has a nice shine level as well.
It's just one of those things; what looks great to you may not look as good to other people and some people just get blown away from types of sealants/waxes etc.
Lot's to choose from.
Regards,
Deanski
Poorboys polishes are very user friendly and PC friendly as well. Their SSR2.5 makes for a good polish to remove swirls w/o leaving any haze as in other polishes. You can step down to SSR1 or Pro Polish. All very easy to use, sun or shade!
More "advanced" polishes require use of a rotary for the best results. Menzerna is one of the finest polishes out in the world, but they are mostly used in an OEM/Tier 1 type application where quick touch-ups are needed on the line. They have been used in the detail market and adapted by the newer/reformulated Final Polish II or Micro Polish. Same as FP, just a bit more lube so it can be worked longer via a PC or rotary.
Meguiars makes some very nice polishes for the detail trade and some find these a bit more useful in that they work well, have clear labeling and most can be worked with a PC or rotary. DACP is one of the most widely used due to the effect it has. It removes swirls and polishes at once. Most get a bit of haze, some get more depaending if a cut pad was used. Then, you have to polish out the haze with say Megs Machine Glaze or other glaze or polish.
Zaino Z5 really has very light hiding of swirls. They're still there, just hidden. The best way to enjoy Zaino results is to get the finish as swirl free and glossy as possible. Zaino Z2 for clearcoats is very clear and only will highlight any defects. You also have to remove all oils/waxes from the finish, mix up Z5 or Z2 with a catalyst called ZFX or use a pre-binder polish Z1 that you don't remove, but lay your Zaino Z2 on top of it.
Easy way around this: Poorboys EX-P. You'll get a great level of shine and it's much easier to apply and remove. I've used Zaino for some time, but find that there are products that are easier and give as close a shine level as Zaino.
Another is UPP. Klasse also has a nice shine level as well.
It's just one of those things; what looks great to you may not look as good to other people and some people just get blown away from types of sealants/waxes etc.
Lot's to choose from.
Regards,
Deanski
THought I would throw my .02 cents in since i have used the 1Z line and Menzerna line on multiple cars and multiple paint conditions. THe 1Z line UPP and PP are a great combo. For just one example, I have used the 1Z combo on a 94 Red honda del sol that was badly oxidizied. THe 1Z brought out the deep red and did aboslute wonders for the paint. The thing i Noticed about 1z is that the polishes seems to be very oily. It also seems to have fillers that I really dont want to use since i rather get rid of swirls instead of hiding them temporarily. Other then the fillers, 1Z was VERY easy to use, only sometimes it seemed hard to remove some of the oil causing some streaking. MF and light mist of Qd seemed to help remove that. THe UPP is abrasive but doesnt seem as abrasive as advertised. I used the UPP with orange cut pad via PC7424 and PP with white pad.
As for expierence with Menzerna. GREAT PRODUCTS!!!!!! I used the IP and FPII on my own 01 Acura CL (Aegean BLue) I had swirls throughout the car. With an orange cut pad via PC i had removed almost all swirls with no haze at all. It seems to me that i had more trouble buffing off 1Z polishes than Menzerna. I have found that working IP in longer and more thourough produces the best results, so take your time with the IP polish. THe final polish after the Ip realllllyyy brings out the glosss and depth of the paint. Very nice follow up polish to the IP.
I have bought a bottle of PB SSR2.5 and will be using that later this week on my hood, (half hood with SSR2.5 w/ orange pad, other half hood with Menzerna IP w/ orange pad to get side by side results. I will post those findings in a new thread later this week, prolly friday.
Cliff notes to my ramblings above:
1. My vote goes to Menzerna IP and FPII over the 1Z line UPP and PP.
2. Menzerna doest use fillers to remove (hide) swirls unlike 1Z.
3. 1Z seems better for Oxidized paint because of the oily nature it has to bring out the paint.
Remember im not bashing 1Z but from my personal expierence with both products i feel Menzerna comes out top notch.
As for expierence with Menzerna. GREAT PRODUCTS!!!!!! I used the IP and FPII on my own 01 Acura CL (Aegean BLue) I had swirls throughout the car. With an orange cut pad via PC i had removed almost all swirls with no haze at all. It seems to me that i had more trouble buffing off 1Z polishes than Menzerna. I have found that working IP in longer and more thourough produces the best results, so take your time with the IP polish. THe final polish after the Ip realllllyyy brings out the glosss and depth of the paint. Very nice follow up polish to the IP.
I have bought a bottle of PB SSR2.5 and will be using that later this week on my hood, (half hood with SSR2.5 w/ orange pad, other half hood with Menzerna IP w/ orange pad to get side by side results. I will post those findings in a new thread later this week, prolly friday.
Cliff notes to my ramblings above:
1. My vote goes to Menzerna IP and FPII over the 1Z line UPP and PP.
2. Menzerna doest use fillers to remove (hide) swirls unlike 1Z.
3. 1Z seems better for Oxidized paint because of the oily nature it has to bring out the paint.
Remember im not bashing 1Z but from my personal expierence with both products i feel Menzerna comes out top notch.
Sorry to interject but I had the very same question...
I have a '99 Grand Am that's black and has the usual swirl marks. It's probably never been clayed so I should start with that before polishing so as not to actually make new swirls as I'm trying to remove the old ones, right?
And second, until I get comfortable with using polsihes I'd like to try them out by hand first even if it is a little more labour-intensive. So the consensus here seems to be that Poorboy's 1.0 or if I find I need a little more removal action then 2.5 to be followed by 1.0 might work well.
So the plan is: Wash, clay, 2.5, 1.0, AIO, SG x3. Think I'm on the right track?
Last question is what would one use to apply 2.5 and 1.0 by hand?
Thanks everyone.
I have a '99 Grand Am that's black and has the usual swirl marks. It's probably never been clayed so I should start with that before polishing so as not to actually make new swirls as I'm trying to remove the old ones, right?
And second, until I get comfortable with using polsihes I'd like to try them out by hand first even if it is a little more labour-intensive. So the consensus here seems to be that Poorboy's 1.0 or if I find I need a little more removal action then 2.5 to be followed by 1.0 might work well.
So the plan is: Wash, clay, 2.5, 1.0, AIO, SG x3. Think I'm on the right track?
Last question is what would one use to apply 2.5 and 1.0 by hand?
Thanks everyone.
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
For applying polishes by hand the best way has been to use 100% Cotton Terry towels. Fold them if they are hand towel size or cut them to say 16x16 and fold. This gives you a good area to work with and cushion from the folding. The towels provide enough texture to help the polish along and act as a lambs wool pad w/o the risk of adding swirls. They MUST be 100% cotton! Go for good 'ol USA made towels, no fancy edges as you'll remove the anyway.
Apply your polish to the folded towel and work the finish with some downward pressure, then ease up on the pressure until the polish starts to break down to a powder. Wip off the residue with a clean towel and check the finish. If it's really swirled-up, you may have to use Megs DACP or #83 first. However, Poorboy's SSR 2.5 works just as good and even better as it does not produce any haze afterwards. You then can step down in polish if you need to.
If you doubt the effective work by hand, just send a PM to Scottwax. GO to the gallery and see some of his work. It was ALL HAND for the longest time as he just got a PC to use.
Another great product for blacks after polishing to remove swirls and you may have some micro-marring left over, but want to hide it as much as possible is a product called Vanilla Moose glaze made by Clearkote. Scott used this quite often on black finishes with dramatic results.
Let us know how you do..
Regards,
Deanski
Apply your polish to the folded towel and work the finish with some downward pressure, then ease up on the pressure until the polish starts to break down to a powder. Wip off the residue with a clean towel and check the finish. If it's really swirled-up, you may have to use Megs DACP or #83 first. However, Poorboy's SSR 2.5 works just as good and even better as it does not produce any haze afterwards. You then can step down in polish if you need to.
If you doubt the effective work by hand, just send a PM to Scottwax. GO to the gallery and see some of his work. It was ALL HAND for the longest time as he just got a PC to use.
Another great product for blacks after polishing to remove swirls and you may have some micro-marring left over, but want to hide it as much as possible is a product called Vanilla Moose glaze made by Clearkote. Scott used this quite often on black finishes with dramatic results.
Let us know how you do..
Regards,
Deanski
Deanski
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Deanski
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Also, check out Bettercarcare.com for more articles.
Regards,
Deanski