Polisher recomendation (newbie here)

What polisher do you own? Why did you choose it and would you recommend it?

  • Porter Cable 7336 or 7424 (please specify)

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  • UDM

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  • Meguiars G110

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  • Griots

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  • DeWalt DW443

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  • Flex

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  • Rotary

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  • Other (please specify)

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I had the pc 7424 for a couple years until i got tired of how long it took to correct and the bad vibrations.When i saw the flex i just had to have one......i have sold the pc since getting the flex and dont see the need for a pc anymore.

I do have a cheap rotory but just to chicken to try it.
 
I have used the PC, UDM, and Hitachi Rotary. But the Flex XC3401 VRG Orbital Polisher (Dual Action) has them all beat IMO. It is a high quality tool. You can tell the orbit is wider than others. No doubt for me five stars!!!!
 
deathlok said:
LSP is last stage product (wax sealant e.t.c.)

Smallest pad with flex is 6 inch



I just read the 6" pad is not interchangeable is this good/bad/indifferent? The more I read or talk to people about the Flex the more I like it. Is this an inbetween polisher, meaning it has more cutting power than a typical orbital but still not up to the power of a rotary? Would there be any need for an additional polisher say the Flex and a rotary or orbital (or all three?) If a rotary would still be needed how is the LK603?



What is the reliabilty, service and parts availabilty like on the Flex's?



I was speaking with my Uncle, he has PC 7336 and a Dewalt DW849 (it helps if you talk to family) I asked him why he went with those and he got the recomendation from a highly respected guy in our area. He said those are the only 2 tools he uses, and he only works with high end cars. That sounds good for me!
 
eyecandy said:
I just read the 6" pad is not interchangeable is this good/bad/indifferent? The more I read or talk to people about the Flex the more I like it. Is this an inbetween polisher, meaning it has more cutting power than a typical orbital but still not up to the power of a rotary?



In a nutshell yes. The Flex has a VERY SIGNIFICANT increase in power/cutting ability than a PC/UDM. The Flex DA does not have the power of a rotary, but is definitely safer if you are fairly new to polishing machines.





eyecandy said:
Would there be any need for an additional polisher say the Flex and a rotary or orbital (or all three?) If a rotary would still be needed how is the LK603?



You might need a rotary if what you are correcting is beyond the scope of a Flex, or it would be too time consuming for a flex da; let's say a severely swirled paint, severely oxidized, ridiculously hard clear coat or perhaps paint that requires wet sanding. IMHO, a rotary would fit these tasks better than a flex. However, you need to get some practice with a rotary, otherwise you might end up damaging something. Practice, practice, practice.





eyecandy said:
I was speaking with my Uncle, he has PC 7336 and a Dewalt DW849 (it helps if you talk to family) I asked him why he went with those and he got the recomendation from a highly respected guy in our area. He said those are the only 2 tools he uses, and he only works with high end cars. That sounds good for me!



If you plan on getting a rotary, i suggest also looking at the Hitachi, Makita or Flex 3403. They are fairly light and reliable. Other like DeWalt, but they are a bit heavier.



The greatest resource you have right now is that you have someone to teach you how to use these tools properly. A lot of us do not have that option and often rely on trial and error. Observe how your uncle and his friend operate these machines and practice with them. These tools will only be as good as the hands that wield them. You can have the greatest machine and get crappy results with poor technique.

 
the best scenario would be to buy all FOUR. A pc a flex a rotary and a cyclo (I cant understand why you left cyclo out in the first place). But if you should buy only one machine then I think that rotary is a little overkill for a new user.



6 inch backing plate is good for general polish but in tight places :( :(
 
So I stopped over my uncles and kinda took the PC for a test drive, WOW! the vibrations! It has a nice price but I don't know if I can deal with the vibrations, especially knowing before I buy (but I have nothing to compare it too) how much less does the UDM, Griots and G110 vibrate? How does the Flex compare?



I assume the PC (and similars) are more versatile than the Flex, since the PC has a 5/8 arbor. If so what are some other uses? What I am thinking, the PC (or similars) would be a better starting point, it would give me time to learn the ropes and gain experience. If it does not get a lot of use or the price $100-130 v. $270 would be better justified, plus if the PC does have more uses, adding the Flex or a rotary down the road might be a good idea.....:nixweiss



I guess that is were I would like to hear alittle more from you guys, especially the PC/simialr and Flex owners since everyone here was in the same place I am, is the Flex worth the 2-3x the price? Don't get me wrong I really like the Flex but is it suitable for someone in my position?



I would like to make my purchase this week, what attachments and polishes/compounds are good to start with? If I go the PC route I like the Edge 2000system.
 
I'll be the only one who won't recommend a specific polisher. Why? Because I don't know your preferences. OK, even if you are a newb, you still have some idea about a theoretically ideal machine.



My theoretically ideal machine is smooth, has low noise/vibration, good power AND torque, a really practical RPM/OPM range, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, great ergonomics. Our hands are the same with 5 fingers and a certain anatomical limits. Yet machine manufacturers pushing out products which have speed dials at the back of the machine, and other idiotic features. How'd you like a car when its gear selector would be placed in its trunk?



A polisher needs to be guided, so the grip is extremely important. It needs to be tight, secure, to ensure proper maneuverability. The trigger has to move in a nicely weighted, smooth way and has to feature variable speed control. The speed dial has to be placed at your thumb with a horizontal (lateral) dial, because it is the most natural way anatomically to change machine speed intuitively on the fly. A vertical (longitudinal) dial can be a similarly good solution. Nice detents are important too to give some feedback about your actual speed settings. Think of them as column stalks of the machine; ideally, symmetrically placed workers - for both right- and left handed users. Until our bodies stay the same with the same anatomic properties, the machines have to adapt to us and not the other way around.



The handle is an important thing too. Basket or bail handles are the better ones as they offer more flexibility than side handles. A hand guard cap on the gear housing head is a good solution too.



The length of the machine is like the wheelbase of a car. Long WB offers high stability, better tracking, while a short WB (aka a more compact polisher) is more agile, maneuverable. Combine this with the golden mean of weight (philosophical middle between two extremes) and you’ll have a great machine. The ideal weight is around 2-2.5 kg/4.5-5.5 lbs, but more than 3 kgs or 6.6 lbs is considered heavy.



Vent hole placement is an often overlooked thing. The openings must be placed properly, otherwise you may block them with your hands unintentionally causing minute overheating which may lead to premature failure. The machine blows air through its head and gears, so it is important not to blow this air into your face. I’ve worked with a cheap rotary, which blew air right into my face; it was not so pleasant.



Practical RPM/OPM ranges are 500-2500 RPMs or up to 13000 OPMs. When you choose a DA machine, be sure that the pad throw is at least 4 mm. With a high OPM, this will give you surprising power, and excellent finishing ability. Finishing with a rotary is just as important so choose a machine which goes well below 1000 RPM. More than 2500 RPMs are very rarely used.



Good serviceabilty (brush change), and a long cord are further positive points.



And NO, the Flex is not limited to just 6� pads: YouTube - Edge 2000 Flex Conversion!!!!!
 
eyecandy said:
How is the reliabilty of the Flex? Anyone have issues?



I have read a lot of people are having problems with them locking up or smok and a burning smell coming from them. It appears you cant apply to much pressure to them.



I have a.

Milwaukee Rotary.

Makita Rotary

Porter Cable rotary

Metabo rotary

Cyclo polisher



I also have a dynabrade DA attachment that connects to any rotary.

My Metabo and the Dynabrade are my two faves at the moment. I don't have to load up any other polishers in the van for a job
 
Bence said:
I'll be the only one who won't recommend a specific polisher. Why? Because I don't know your preferences. OK, even if you are a newb, you still have some idea about a theoretically ideal machine.



My theoretically ideal machine is smooth, has low noise/vibration, good power AND torque, a really practical RPM/OPM range, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, great ergonomics. Our hands are the same with 5 fingers and a certain anatomical limits. Yet machine manufacturers pushing out products which have speed dials at the back of the machine, and other idiotic features. How'd you like a car when its gear selector would be placed in its trunk?



A polisher needs to be guided, so the grip is extremely important. It needs to be tight, secure, to ensure proper maneuverability. The trigger has to move in a nicely weighted, smooth way and has to feature variable speed control. The speed dial has to be placed at your thumb with a horizontal (lateral) dial, because it is the most natural way anatomically to change machine speed intuitively on the fly. A vertical (longitudinal) dial can be a similarly good solution. Nice detents are important too to give some feedback about your actual speed settings. Think of them as column stalks of the machine; ideally, symmetrically placed workers - for both right- and left handed users. Until our bodies stay the same with the same anatomic properties, the machines have to adapt to us and not the other way around.



The handle is an important thing too. Basket or bail handles are the better ones as they offer more flexibility than side handles. A hand guard cap on the gear housing head is a good solution too.



The length of the machine is like the wheelbase of a car. Long WB offers high stability, better tracking, while a short WB (aka a more compact polisher) is more agile, maneuverable. Combine this with the golden mean of weight (philosophical middle between two extremes) and you’ll have a great machine. The ideal weight is around 2-2.5 kg/4.5-5.5 lbs, but more than 3 kgs or 6.6 lbs is considered heavy.



Vent hole placement is an often overlooked thing. The openings must be placed properly, otherwise you may block them with your hands unintentionally causing minute overheating which may lead to premature failure. The machine blows air through its head and gears, so it is important not to blow this air into your face. I’ve worked with a cheap rotary, which blew air right into my face; it was not so pleasant.



Practical RPM/OPM ranges are 500-2500 RPMs or up to 13000 OPMs. When you choose a DA machine, be sure that the pad throw is at least 4 mm. With a high OPM, this will give you surprising power, and excellent finishing ability. Finishing with a rotary is just as important so choose a machine which goes well below 1000 RPM. More than 2500 RPMs are very rarely used.



Good serviceabilty (brush change), and a long cord are further positive points.



And NO, the Flex is not limited to just 6� pads: YouTube - Edge 2000 Flex Conversion!!!!!



Do you know where I can buy the smaller backing plate?



Thanks
 
Lou, the Edge 2000 adapter can be purchased at numerous vendors who carry Edge products, along with the pads.



Sherri, I think the Makita 9227, the Euro-only Milwaukee AP12QE or its AEG counterpart, the PE150 and the Hitachi SP18 comes closest - according to my personal preferences. :)
 
Bence, thanks for the awesome response!



I just want to be sure we are talking about the correct Flex, I am talking about the D/A 3401 VRG. Are the smoke/lockup issues with the 3401 or other (all models)?



Is that edge adaptor for the 3401 DA or the 3403 rotary?
 
As I said the Flex is a quality tool. It is very strong. Has a trigger to slow or speed it up. Also a locking device for the trigger to leave it at one speed without having to press anything.



I have burned up another type but I won't mention the name.
 
Is there any problems with the backing pad gear burning up or wearing out? Or something of that nature?



I gave Edge a call to see if the adaptor was available for the 3401 and he said it was not, and told me to look into the Makita B06040, as it is a superior machine. He siad it had more power, no plastic gears and can be switched from RO to rotary. I do not see were he is getting the more power, its rated at 6.6 v the 7.5 for the Flex (seen on one website, other list watts), and did not see anything about switiching to rotary only RO and RO with forced rotation (this is what the FLex has right?) Plus he was the one that mention about the backing pads wearing out and breaking...
 
Bence said:
That's weird...



Are you sure Aaron said this? Why is the video then...???



Yes that is what Aaron said. He said the Flex is still in prototype phase, then that is when he was pushing the Makita and listed what was better and that he has the adaptor available....
 
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