polish w/ teflon question..

dvsmnstr

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hey guys, I just did my black expedition w/ the help of all of you and it looks great.. I stopped home yesterday and my dad washed my mom's white truck and then waxed one side with the black magic liquid wax I had.. and on the other side he used his boat polish with teflon.. they both pretty much came out the same .. is teflon safe for cars/trucks?

and polish actually cleans the paint farther down than washing?
because it cleaned up my jetski pretty nice!!?
 
Maybe Poorboy can answer this one better, but the Teflon has to be heated to very high temps to bond. This is impossible on cars and trucks. The Teflon is an ingredient to help with the flow of the wax and nothing more. It's more a marketing ploy on the name than anything else. But I would imagine the wax is safe to use on your cars.
 
I seem to recall a note Dupont put out that said that Teflon was not of any significant use in a polish or wax, for the reasons JaredPointer posted above.

blue skies,
Andrew
 
Teflon is a polymer. There are many polymers out there. Polymers increase the durablity of waxes and sealants. Was the boat polish called Diamond Luster? I have used this polish before, it is pretty good.
 
Teflon is a word that corporations buy off of DuPont so that people go..OHHHH This has Teflon in it! and then they buy it.

;)
 
Read this:

Are Waxes With Teflon Any Good?

Professionals consider "Teflon" formulas as empty hype. Even the maker of Teflon (DuPont) issued the following statement: "The additon of a Teflon flouropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax. We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon is beneficial in car waxes."

Taken from http://bodyart.bellaonline.com/articles/art7313.asp
 
It is a name of a polymer. We would not have products available that last six months if it was not for polymers like Teflon. I agree the Teflon brand is over hyped, but do not agree that it does nothing to improve a wax.
 
so if I have this stuff laying around my house it would be safe to use it(on black).. even with wax over it ? like say if I were to wash/polish/wax? or I could just say .. wash/polish..?

oh and thanks for all the fast help guys, I really apreshiate(sp?) it.
 
brwill2004 said:
It is a name of a polymer. We would not have products available that last six months if it was not for polymers like Teflon. I agree the Teflon brand is over hyped, but do not agree that it does nothing to improve a wax.

I agree that we wouldn't have some of the products if it weren't for polymers LIKE teflon.

But that specific polymer - Teflon - requires immense heat and/or pressure to adhere to anything. Just mixing it into a wax or sealant doesn't do anything.


My opinion, anyway.

blue skies,
Andrew
 
dvsmnstr said:
so if I have this stuff laying around my house it would be safe to use it(on black).. even with wax over it ? like say if I were to wash/polish/wax? or I could just say .. wash/polish..?

oh and thanks for all the fast help guys, I really apreshiate(sp?) it.

Yes, it will be safe to use.
 
brwill2004 said:
It is a name of a polymer. We would not have products available that last six months if it was not for polymers like Teflon. I agree the Teflon brand is over hyped, but do not agree that it does nothing to improve a wax.

:yeah I agree...as Jared pointed out..it is actually a polymer called HTFE (man I hope i get those letters in the right order :lmfao), and it can increase durability slightly, but not much different than other polymers, and it is used in many products to help with flow and easier application. Can it bond to your finish like Teflon to a frying pan...:nono NO! and Teflon is just a brand name like Band Aid brand band-aids...they(Dupont) get a royalty for the use of their name and can legally say it's in the bottle if they use one drop....
 
Heh, this is rather amusing. Here's what was going around a while back. I can't verify this is actually a DuPont quote, but it sure shows up in a lot of places on the net exactly the same way, presented as a DuPont quote:

The following is a statement from DuPont, who makes Teflon: "The addition of a Teflon fluoropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax. We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon is beneficial in car waxes."

Now, you get the following marketing, which I'm almost certain is directly from DuPont, since they license the products:

"DuPont'sâ„¢ new Teflon® Products are a unique breakthrough in automotive chemistry. The non-stick Teflon® coating leaves an invisible protective barrier to protect the interior and exterior of your vehicle from unwanted dirt, mud, grime, scratches, and dust."

Here's my theory. DuPont realized that the hype of those products that attached the well-known Teflon® name to car care products made them very popular. So they decided to jump on the bandwagon.

In reading the actual press release where they announced the product, it sounds like they were *very* careful to say "the Teflon® nName", or "the Teflon® division" and that the products were engineered by the Teflon® division. Nowhere in the article do they say the products contain the actual polymer (PTFE).

In other words, it's entirely possible to have a specially formulated, Teflon® non-stick coating that does NOT contain PTFE.....Teflon® is a name and the idea is that the division has come up with a *special non-stick* formula for car wax...

Anyway, that's what I suspect. The stuff in there isn't the polymer we know as teflon on our pots and pans, but is a special polymer engineered/modified/adopted to be in a car sealant.

Bottom line for me....does it work? Dunno yet, we'll see (if I can ever get past AIO/SG/UPP and real carnauba!).

blue skies,
Andrew

extra info:

Here's a paragraph from the press release:

The new DuPontâ„¢ Car Care products have been developed to deliver a high level of performance in terms of cleaning ability and enhancing overall vehicle appearance. The formulations are water-based and avoid acids and caustic materials found in other automotive appearance products. The line will include: DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Car Wash, DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Car Wax, DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Protectant, DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Wheel Cleaner, DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Spray Wax, DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Protectant Wipes and DuPontâ„¢ Teflon® Tire Shine.

here's the link: http://www.shareholder.com/tenneco/news/20031215-124607.cfm

Update...one paragraph in there seems like the product will contain Teflon®...but I still think they're talking "Teflon®" in the branding sense, not in the specific polymer sense.

OK, more update. Teflon is a *family* of polymers. Here's a fun site: www.teflon.com Pick your continent, then go to look at different applications....
 
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