Polish vs Paint Cleaners???

Civicman86

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Are these considered the same thing or seperate steps? It seems some people say they clean the paint and others just use a polish like menzerna SIP and 106ff then wax.



Assuming they are different is it acceptable to polish with the SIP and 106ff then clean the paint with something like Klasse and then wax? Or is this overkill?
 
Civicman86 said:
Are these considered the same thing or seperate steps? It seems some people say they clean the paint and others just use a polish like menzerna SIP and 106ff then wax.



I believe I have read on hear that basically a paint cleaner is nothing more than a polish w/o the abrasives. Not sure if that is true but just what I have heard. Saying that, don't take that to mean a paint cleaner serves no purpose, just that they are very similar in the make up.



Civicman86 said:
Assuming they are different is it acceptable to polish with the SIP and 106ff then clean the paint with something like Klasse and then wax? Or is this overkill?



Using an AIO such as Klasse AIO after a finish polish is a very common step in the detail process.
 
they are different

Polishing removes defects from the paint



Paint cleaners are used to remove polishing oils and other stuff from the surface

so your LSP has something better to bond to
 
Civicman86 said:
So it would be better to get some Klasse AIO to use after a good polish?



maybe!



it depends if you are using a polish that is low/no dust

and a LSP that will bond to the oils from the polish

(like most waxes) no need to use a cleaner



now if your polish dust alot

or has a lot of oils that could affect the bonding

or if you are using a sealant that is picky about what it bond to(KSG)

then you need a cleaner
 
Civicman86 said:
Are these considered the same thing or seperate steps? ...
In a general sense, this question cannot be answered. Different companies use the words differently. Since two products from two different companies can heave exactly the same title on their bottles and perform completely different functions, you can only compare specific products, not general names.



One company can use the word “polish� where another would call the exact same product a “cleaner.� One company can use the word “polish� where another would call the exact same product a “glaze.� Yet another company might call their product a “polish� when the first two companies would call that product a “sealant.� You can find “cleaners� that chemically remove only the lightest of contaminants or “cleaners� that remove sanding scratch like a heavy compound. You can also find “polishes� that leave behind more swirls than other companies’ heavy compounds.



There is no standardization, no common meanings assigned to terms. There is no industry association or national standards body to assign definitions. It’s a free-for-all.



You need to understand your paint and what it needs. You need to understand what the companies whose products you choose to use mean by their titles and what functions their specific products perform.



I know it’s stupid and confusing but that’s just the way it is. You can blame it on wax companies’ wanting to out-market each other rather than work together to inform the customer.





PC.
 
Good information thanks!



Im planning on using Menzerna SIP and 106ff on one car and the Prima Amigo on another. From what I hear the SIP has alot of oils, so maybe I should get some of the "cleaners"?
 
the other pc said:
In a general sense, this question cannot be answered. Different companies use the words differently. Since two products from two different companies can heave exactly the same title on their bottles and perform completely different functions, you can only compare specific products, not general names.



One company can use the word “polish� where another would call the exact same product a “cleaner.� One company can use the word “polish� where another would call the exact same product a “glaze.� Yet another company might call their product a “polish� when the first two companies would call that product a “sealant.� You can find “cleaners� that chemically remove only the lightest of contaminants or “cleaners� that remove sanding scratch like a heavy compound. You can also find “polishes� that leave behind more swirls than other companies’ heavy compounds.



There is no standardization, no common meanings assigned to terms. There is no industry association or national standards body to assign definitions. It’s a free-for-all.



You need to understand your paint and what it needs. You need to understand what the companies whose products you choose to use mean by their titles and what functions their specific products perform.



I know it’s stupid and confusing but that’s just the way it is. You can blame it on wax companies’ wanting to out-market each other rather than work together to inform the customer.





PC.



Well said. I totally agree.
 


Civicman86 said:
It seems some people say they clean the paint and others just use a polish.



It's actually pretty simple. A paint cleaner is just that, a paint cleaner, whereas a polish is... a polish. A paint cleaner is intended to be used on "like new" finishes, that do not need polishing and are already in good shape. If you think about it, it would be a waste of time and energy to polish a relatively "defect free" finish. This where a paint cleaner comes into play. A polish on the other hand, is intended to be used when claying or cleaning (paint cleaner) will not correct defect's such as heavy oxidation. Claying/cleaning obviously will not remove defects such as swirls and scratches. This is where a polish/compound comes into play.



Using a paint cleaner after a thorough washing, claying, multi-stage compound/polish is complete over kill. A thorough ISP wipedown with a clean MF towel will remove any residuals left from polishing.



An optional step would be to apply a glaze before applying the LSP (wax or sealant). Glazes contain oils and an LSP will bond/adhere to it. To say that you need to use a paint cleaner so that your LSP will bond to the paint is false.









Civicman86 said:
Assuming they are different is it acceptable to polish with the SIP and 106ff then clean the paint with something like Klasse and then wax? Or is this overkill?

Klasse AIO is not just a cleaner, it is an all in one product that not only cleans, but is a top notch synthetic sealant and is not overkill. Using a straight cleaner after polishing with SIP and 106ff is complete overkill. A lot of folks seal their finish with Klasse AIO, then top it off with a good Caranuba to make it shine further, but is not necessary. Being that the AIO is a sealant, you don't have to top it with a wax, but is an option for those who wish to make their finish pop.









 


the other pc said:
Since two products from two different companies can heave exactly the same title on their bottles and perform completely different functions, you can only compare specific products, not general names.



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I was actually referencing a cleaner used for cleaning, not compounding
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the other pc said:
In a general sense, this question cannot be answered.



It's pretty clear the thread starter was refurring to the "cleaner type" cleaner, and not the "compound type" cleaner
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is it acceptable to polish with the SIP and 106ff then clean the paint with something like Klasse







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