polish outdoors or under the lights?

Do any of you guys do your polishing outdoors? Maybe because my car is white, while I find the sun to be a good way to spot buffer trails/holograms, I find I cannot see fine clearcoat layer scratches and alot of swirls unless Im indoors under some lights.
 
I do all my detailing work inside, if only because it's a controlled environment.



And I find marring under my incandescent ispection lights that I absolutely cannot see under any other type of lighting, sunlight included.
 
I usually prefer to polish outside if the weather (temps and shade) are right, but like Accumulator mentioned, there is some marring that I just can't see until I pull it inside under the lights.
 
Artificial light shows marring / scratching where sunlight shows buffer trails / swirls / holograms. But, I do have a thing for spotting swirls on people's cars while I'm pumping gas at night.
 
David Fermani said:
Artificial light shows marring / scratching where sunlight shows buffer trails / swirls / holograms. But, I do have a thing for spotting swirls on people's cars while I'm pumping gas at night.





Exactly. IVe found those huge fluorscent looking lights at srvc stations at night to be The most merciless detectors of surface damage of any lighting Ive seen. I think the only kind of damage Ive needed sunlight to spot are those buffer trails/holograms.. All other damage I can detect better with indoor lighting.
 
Yeah, good point about holograms. If I can't pull it out into sunlight I just assume they're there and polish accordingly.



Those service station lights are what prompted me to figure out the incandescents ;) No more surprises these days.
 
paul e said:
I think the only kind of damage Ive needed sunlight to spot are those buffer trails/holograms.. All other damage I can detect better with indoor lighting.



I agree on the natural sunlight as the best way to see holograms too.



Halogens and incandescents are pretty good for swirls, water spots, scratches, etc.
 
I work outside in the sun about 75% of the time, and let me tell all of you that it's much better to work under good lights with an inspection light to boot.



I find that after a few hours of staring at a sunlight reflection, my eyes become horrendously fatigued. It's extremely bad for your eyes, I can tell you that right now. :idea
 
charlesaferg said:
..I find that after a few hours of staring at a sunlight reflection, my eyes become horrendously fatigued. It's extremely bad for your eyes, I can tell you that right now. :idea



No doubt! Even just doing lots of inspection indoors can be a PIA; a few hours of inspecting silver and I simply have to take a break, I know I'm missing stuff that I'll see with fresh eyes.



Oh, and Welcome to Autopia!
 
Accumulator said:
No doubt! Even just doing lots of inspection indoors can be a PIA; a few hours of inspecting silver and I simply have to take a break, I know I'm missing stuff that I'll see with fresh eyes.



Oh, and Welcome to Autopia!



Thank you!

I appreciate the kind welcome.



:buffing:

I am constantly working for people who own condos with single car garages with not quite enough room to work, so I must improvise however I can.

It's perfectly fine as long as I can still see the imperfections, we will all still love it anyways.

:usa
 
Well, I just spent 6 hours taking care of my paint exterior. I live in one of those Hirise condos with a communal garage.. But even so, I just park my car near one of the overhead lights with a socket nearby. I plug my extention cord into the socket and I plug my PC and my Homelight yellow detailing light into the extention. I usually just try and make do with the overhead lighting, but today I used the homelight for the first time, and it allowed me to see all the swirls that have accumulated on the sides that I normally dont see. These swirls in the sides of the fenders and the door panels were put there when the car was new some 8 yrs ago when I took it to some auto carwashes. .Those things had those huge swirling brushes that whipped at high pressure blue nylon strands around a vertical drum... Those things closed in on the side panels and really did a swirl number. Today for the first time I got most of them out. I used a Cutting pad with PB SSR2.5 followed by a LC White pad with SSR2.5 followed by Finsesse-It. That got most of it. The only other panel that had damage was the hood. Over the years, a combination of road sandblasting, and gravel blasting from tarp covered dump trucks whose load would tend to fly out the back, combined with finding myself all of a sudden on an asphalt repair segment of a road all took their toll on my hood. Ive done my best to remove those scratches which I could, and round off those I was afraid were too deep. Being a white car, even though its not perfect, its very liveable, and to the untrained eye, it IS perfect! Theres no more helpless feeling than to find yourself on a major thruway, and start to hear the unmistakeable ping, ping, ding of pebbles bouncing off your paint. You see the culpret up ahead, and you try to slow down and fade back in hopes of distancing yourself enough from the offender.. When that doesnt do any good, you do the only other thing possible; you speed up and overtake him asap... But in the process, the damage is done.. Or other times, the sides of the road are covered with sand, and just normal traffic kicks it up, and it always just seems to find my hood.



I think I need to reach the point where I convince myself that I dont have a show car; I have a daily driver that I take alot of pride in, but its necessary to realize its impossible to keep it as pristine as a true show car, after putting 8 yrs and 70k miles on it. The fact that it looks as good as it does is a testament to my obsession.. But, its not perfect.. .DAMNIT!!!! ;) IN the same way, when I wasnt obsessing about the paint, I was obsessing about the power.. Adding an intercooled Supercharger, and then getting together with custom tuners to develop software to support a boost bump to 11 psi providing a power increase of more than 150 hp more than stock was even more an obsession than the paint at one time. But in the same way I had to learn to live with the fact that there are others whose cars will be faster, I need to find a way to accept the fact that while it looks great, it wont be perfect anymore. Now without a hood repaint. Most people would think Im nuts, talking about a hood repaint.. Unless its indoors under revealing light, it looks perfect.. Even indoors, only detailing afficianados would detect the damage on the hood. can anyone identify?
 
paul e- I do relate, and given your mechanical upgrades I think I'd be able to live with the cosmetic issues just fine, especialy given the color and your situation (no shop, etc.).



For that matter, my previously-perfect S8 was *very* imperfectly repainted after the deer incident, and after a few years of living with it, well, the "awful flaws" just don't bother me much any more. There's a lot more to a car than the condition of its paint ;)
 
Thanks for some rational perspective Accumulator.. Already Im sitting here, even after over 6 hrs spent today, thinking how much more should I try and get with my hood.. I know if I keep at it, Ill love the paint right into a failure state. I think 99% of the people out there would be more than thrilled with the way it looks. Ive got to let it go.



One thing I discovered today..IVe used that orange Sonus Swirlbuster pad; the one with the concentric circles of foam on the surface of the pad.. Well, through that pad out today. .What it did was have a nasty tendency to create those characteristic 'Hook' swirls indicative of what happens when a PC catches grit.. ONly that damn pad does it without grit. Its done it all 3 times Ive used it, and in the past, assumed it was the PB SSR2.5 which was too gritty.. But today, I tested this theory by applying the same SSR2.5 with my other orange pad: my Lake Country Orange light cut pad. .This pad Feels like it has the same cut as the orange Sonus pad, so I tried them both on my swirled side panel .. First, the Sonus Swirlbuster pad, and like before, it gave me about a 2"long hook swirl. Thats when I got the bright idea to try getting rid of the damage by putting the ssr2.5 on my LC Orange pad.. And when I did, not only did it remove the swirl, but for the rest of the day, not One hook swirl was created. Hence, I tossed the Swirlbuster pad in the garbage, ever to be known as the SwirlMaker pad instead of the SwirlBuster pad. I think those foam 'flaps' etched into the surface of the foam pad with a reasonably aggressive polish cant help but dig into the paint.. At least for me, its the only pad IVe ever used that caused this kind of swirl. David's probably going to have my hide for saying so, but Ive based the opinion on three different attempts with it, each time wiht the same result. So I think IVe got enough evidence to support this position. Plus, if grit were involved, I think it highly unlikely that grit only gets attracted to my Sonus pad, and never to any of my others. Ive used maybe half a dozen makes of pads over the years, and never had a hook swirl with any other pad. I think perhaps with a milder polish, it would be ok.. But wtih somethign the strength of the PB SSR 2.5, it would be a problem.. And that includes Sonus' own SFX-1 restore polish.
 
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