Polish break down stages

[Raven]

Gret job, great pic's and great thread. Information like this is one of the reasons I log in to DC everyday.

 

[blkyukon]

Ok this was all just one coat of polish that you applied and took off gradually or what? i am just used to applying it and taking it right off. .

Yes, it's one coat that was worked in for ~3min until it broke down.

Any abrasive polish needs to be worked in and broken down for it to work properly. Unlike a wax, polishes won't do much if you just applying and removing it.

I dont have a real good buffer just one of those average joes ones and im looking into getting one but not off the internet. Do you know where, in like average stores i can get a decent one.

Like Kaos said, Lowes has the Porter Cable for ~$99

I was quite impressed with the finish on the vehicle you did but i just didnt quite follow how u went about it. call me stupid if ya like!What kind of applicator pad did you use to apply and take it off with? sorry for so many Q's. Any info is greatly appreciated, thankyou

Thanks, Here is a great article on how to use the Porter Cable that might help with some of your questions:
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=47

Hope this helps :bigups

That looks great. Nice job. I see that you said you used Menzerna Intense polish and Final Polish and the pictures so you using FP. Why didnt the IP get a lot more of them scratches out?? I just like to know because i think them products will be on my X-mas list.

Thanks,
Mark

Sorry I should have clarified it better, the first pic is before both IP and FP and the other pictures are of FP breaking down. I didn't take any pictures of IP breaking down because it looks pretty much the same as FP breaking down.

IP remove 95% of the swirls and FP brought the gloss back.

 

[AZ Ferrari Man]

How much polish did you use and how did you apply, ie: directly to panel or to pad? Also any dusting or gumming? And how often did you need to clean your pad?

Thanks!
Andrew

 

[GregCavi]

Wow older thread! Good job though. To answer that question I usually use with menzerna just a couple small beads of polish. I know your looking into optimum too and with that you never want to use alot of polish. To much polish wont work with optimum. With that again I do 2 small beads of polish and then spread.

When I work menzerna I dont really get any gumming but I clean my pad every 2nd or third panel. If you dont clean your pad you might get a little hoppy. Dust isnt to bad with the menzerna and it is non existant with optimum.


Greg

 

[blkyukon]

How much polish did you use and how did you apply, ie: directly to panel or to pad? Also any dusting or gumming? And how often did you need to clean your pad?

Thanks!
Andrew

I use a small bead around the middle of the pad for a 3x3 area.

I apply it to the pad then spread it around the panel before turning on the PC.

IP dusts, and FP dust a little bit...

As long as I keep the pads clean and don't add water I never have any gumming problems

I can usually polish my Yukon with cleaning or changing the pads 2-3 times.

Menzerna is still my favorite finishing polish on dark colors!

 

[Dozerboy]

Damn, I haven't seen this before. Is it me or is there 2 pics missing?

 

[AZ Ferrari Man]

Do you wet the pad with DS, or water prior to application. Also what are the breakdown differences between the FP II and IP? Both around 3-5mins a panel?

How were residues to buff off? Did you have to use DS to remove any? And what are the problems with removing residues with DS or 50/50, I read on someones website that the 50/50 spray can dull optical enhancers in the polish.

Also any help with IP would be great, I think I might go LC white with the FP II and an Orange or white LC with IP, what do you think? Your work is just astonishing.

Andrew

P.S. why do you slow the speed when the polish has broken down? You break it down on 4.5-6 and then slow to what, once it has broken down?

 

[blkyukon]

Do you wet the pad with DS, or water prior to application. Also what are the breakdown differences between the FP II and IP? Both around 3-5mins a panel?

I don't wet the pads. Whenever I wet the pads it makes it very difficult to remove after working it in.

This is with FP not FPII, but I'm getting some PO85rd and I'm going to be updating the pages with that. But IP and FP breakdown stages are very similar.

How were residues to buff off? Did you have to use DS to remove any? And what are the problems with removing residues with DS or 50/50, I read on someones website that the 50/50 spray can dull optical enhancers in the polish.

The only problem with residue was if I wet the pad or the pad is caked with polish, other then that it wipes right off.

I've had no problems with removing residue with a QD, water or 50/50.

Also any help with IP would be great, I think I might go LC white with the FP II and an Orange or white LC with IP, what do you think? Your work is just astonishing.

Thanks!

FP with the white LC is a great finishing combo

IP is a great polish, it will remove spiderwebbing and some things that are deeper with a couple of passes with the orange pad but it's not as aggressive as DACP.

P.S. why do you slow the speed when the polish has broken down? You break it down on 4.5-6 and then slow to what, once it has broken down?

After the polish breaksdown I like to slow it down alternating between pressure and no pressure for the final few passes, this for me helps remove any micromarring left by the polishes.

You can see how IP breaksdown here : http://users.ca.astound.net/blkyukon/cars/polish_2.html

I used a bit more IP then normal in those pictures because I was trying to show what hazing or micromarring looked like.

Good luck!

 

[blkyukon]

Andrew,

I've updated my page with some better pictures and different polishes, SSR 2.5, IP and PO85RD

Here is the link:

http://users.ca.astound.net/blkyukon/cars/#polish


As far as your question on dusting, SSR 2.5 and IP dust similarly (you can see in the pictures the dusting) and PO85RD very little dusting...PO85RD is a very nice finishing polish, easier to use then the original FP yet same, if not better results.

 

[cwcad]

Have been reading this thread form it's inception. Very interesting and informative.

BLKYUKON....I cannot believe the work and attention to detail that you have put into your page as far as the polishing stages are concerned. Having attempted to get the job done on my own vehicles, I can see the process using your pictures and my minds eye to get a much better understanding of what is supposed to be done.

Thank You for your efforts!!!


This thread was already a good thread but your work has made it better!!! :beer_smil :band:

 

[blkyukon]

Have been reading this thread form it's inception. Very interesting and informative.

BLKYUKON....I cannot believe the work and attention to detail that you have put into your page as far as the polishing stages are concerned. Having attempted to get the job done on my own vehicles, I can see the process using your pictures and my minds eye to get a much better understanding of what is supposed to be done.

Thank You for your efforts!!!


This thread was already a good thread but your work has made it better!!! :beer_smil :band:

Thanks, I appreciate it.

The updated polishing pages are a result of an ugly day outside, PO85RD arriving, wife's at work & my daughter is taking a nap

That page was put together over a course of a few months...little bit here, little bit there, trying to touch on most of the questions that people had asked me in emails. I try to add or update periodically when I can.

I'm glad it has helped you...that's what it's there for!


Charles

 

[AZ Ferrari Man]

Hey BLKYukon, I checked out your detail page with the very helpful PO-85rd write up, I was curious as to how the residues were to buff off and did you do so with an MF and DS? Also how long did you feel you need to workin the polish (3-5 mins?) any help would be great! P.S. how often did you clean your pad?

Andrew

 

[blkyukon]

Hey BLKYukon, I checked out your detail page with the very helpful PO-85rd write up, I was curious as to how the residues were to buff off and did you do so with an MF and DS?

It was very easy to remove the residue...easier then FP. I just used a MF no DS.

Also how long did you feel you need to workin the polish (3-5 mins?) any help would be great! P.S. how often did you clean your pad?

Andrew

Time...maybe a few minute, I usually don't go by time because speed, amount of product, temp, humidity, etc. can play a part on how long it will take ...I look at more how the polish is breaking down.

I usually clean or change the pad about 2-3 times for my Yukon.


FWIW, What I usually do with a new polish is work it in until I think it's broken down completely. Then I wipe the residue off a small section and look at the finish to see it all the haze/micromarring is removed...if not, work it a bit more and check again until I've achieve the desired results.