Polish break down stages

blkyukon

blkyukon

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Updated info here as of 10-26-05 :

http://melncal.com/detailing​







I always get asked, "How do I know if I've worked the polish long enough". So finally decided to document what works for me -



Below are some pictures showing the stages of a polish breaking down (Menzerna Final Polish is pictured below):





Used - PC - Menzerna Intense polish and Final Polish - Meguiars - polishing pad (for both)





1st - before applying any polish

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2nd- after spreading it around and working it for about 20 sec. on speed 4.5

2.jpg




3rd- polish has broken down - at this point I slow the speed down and go over it slowly to bring the gloss back to the paint

3.jpg




4th - Here is what it looks like when is finished - almost translucent

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5th - the final results, nice spiderweb free finish ready for a wax or sealant

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6th - After a coat of Poorboy's EX-P+ (review coming soon)

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:bigups
 
Good pictorial :up



Yep, the Menzerna ought to look like that. Looks more or less the same via Cyclo also. Hope this helps folks out.
 
Nice pics and great tutorial! I'll have to save this one.

I'm interested in your perception of EX-P+ on black...it looks great!
 
Excellent job with the Menzerna Twins! I have those polishes in my aresnal and love the fact that they dont have fillers to "falsely" make me believe that swirls are gone. They are wonder polishes even with PC, even though they are meant more for rotary. You said the pics were of when you were doing FP, did FP remove those swirls???
 
:up Very nice. How long do you work the polish at 4.5, is it for the 20 seconds you mentioned or more? After you've broke the polish down how long and at what speed do you work it to bring the gloss back?
 
Thanks everyone! I know how frustrating it can be to get the finish looking the best (especially on black).



After trying a bunch of speed/pad combos with the PC, this is what works best for me with the majority of my polishes (mostly finishing polishes).





01bluecls said:
. They are wonder polishes even with PC, even though they are meant more for rotary. You said the pics were of when you were doing FP, did FP remove those swirls???
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I get the best finish on black with FP. I used IP first and removed most of the swirls and finished with FP to remove the slight hazing left by IP and bring back the gloss....sorry I did remember to take pics of using IP.





DSVWGLI said:
:up Very nice. How long do you work the polish at 4.5, is it for the 20 seconds you mentioned or more? After you've broke the polish down how long and at what speed do you work it to bring the gloss back?
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Thanks!



It was cold today so it took a little bit longer then usual, but on average I work it about 1-2 min before it reaches picture 3. Then slowing the PC down to 3.5 and doing slow passes until it reaches picture 4 again about 1-2 min leaves the best finish.



Hope that helps :xyxthumbs
 
well... looks like i am making a call to dwayne tomorrow and purchasing some FP and IP. its about time! i havn't been wanting to try it for a long time but i wanted to get more experienced with my rotary and now that i have been using it a lot lately, i htink its time:) great tutorial



Vernon
 
Hmm...I like your EX-P dispenser bottle. The Poorboy's bottle always farts the product at the pad so I might have to use your idea. :up
 
White95Max said:
Hmm...I like your EX-P dispenser bottle. The Poorboy's bottle always farts the product at the pad so I might have to use your idea. :up
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It does kinda fart doesn't it? I run into the same thing with SSR 2.5.



Steve sent out the EX-P+ samples in those dispensers...it works very well but you need to close it with your last application of product to the pad...otherwise you'll waste a bit when you close it. It is like a lotion bottle or something similar.
 
So your key is to slow the PC down? I ran a query recently regarding the speed to use the PC at and almost all responded at 5 or 6. Is there some rule to know when to use what speed?
 
Thanks, this is a BIG help. That was something I struggled with last time (the first time) I detailed my car. Wasn't sure just how long I was supposed to keep polishing. Guess I underestimated the time needed, but probably better than damaging my paint.
 
White95Max - What mtodde said...but I agree I also really like the soap dispenser idea for bottles...thanks for the idea Steve! :xyxthumbs





shaunthebadass - Your Welcome:)



SteveOst I know that is what everyone says and when I do that I always ended up with marring/hazing (the kind that is only seen in direct sunlight and usually only on black) no matter how long I worked the product. For me, by slowing it down for the last few passes on the final polishing it removes any marring/hazing left by the polish.



Now with more aggressive polishes I'll sometimes bump it up to a higher speed 5 or 5.5 if I need more cutting, but 4.5 is my average speed for the PC.
 
Great post. I am expecting a PC for Christmas and the pictures gave me a good idea of what to look for. Thanks.
 
Great post for a newbie like myself.



Are these stages of break down typical for other products such as #9, #80 & 83 ?



Thanks for any further advice.



WD :xyxthumbs
 
I totally know what you mean about the translucency (sp?) with the Menzerna. Once it gets translucent do you stop or keep going?
 
pigeonbus said:
I totally know what you mean about the translucency (sp?) with the Menzerna. Once it gets translucent do you stop or keep going?
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Once it gets to that stage I do about 3 more passes with the slower speeds before removing.



This method, for me, really brings back the gloss and leave a haze/micromarring free finish.





This link has a macro shot of before (with micromarring left from IP) and after using FP:



The last 2 pics:



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47421
 
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